Maiden's Revenge and Other Shotshell Ammo

[ivangrozny2009]

Fellow Calgunners, I know it might seem silly to even ask considering this is CA and almost everything is illegal or soon will be, but I was wondering if anyone knew if it was legal to own Misc Shotshell ammo OTHER than the obvious no-no's (flachette, flame etc).

I wanted to pick up some Maiden's Revenge from an online source, its designed to have almost no recoil and to not go through walls...perfect for the wife and our apartment. How could a less powerful round be illegal? What about beanbag or whistle rounds or basically anything along those lines?

Thanks!

[nrakid88]

I doubt that anything that can't penetrate 1/4' of drywall will be lethal or even a good deterent for attackers.

[jdewolf]

Less than lethal rounds at close ranges can be lethal, however it's not guaranteed.

So look at it this way. If you're in a HD [or apartment defense] in this case and someone breaks into your home. They're armed and your life, your wife, and your childs life is in danger. I.e. you have to put him down, PERMANENTLY. This isn't crowd or riot control... your one concern should be to ventilate the SOB and make sure he doesn't get back up. If you hit him with a less than lethal round [beanbag, whatever] there's 2 big problems.

1.) It's not guaranteed that it'll put him down permanently. Also it can be argued that you didn't feel your life was in danger. I believe that the level of force used must be equal to the threat faced. If you're in a situation where the only choice is for you to shoot, you need to shoot to [stop the threat].

2.) If the guy breaks in and your life isn't in danger and you shoot him with this less than lethal round... you risk the possibility that you accidently kill him. Criminal and civil charges would follow.

[nrakid88]

Whoah, you never shoot it kill. You shoot to stop the threat.

[jdewolf]

Do you know, you're right. That was a bad choice of words on my part. If your life is in danger, you need to stop the threat. If while stopping the threat he happens to stop breathing... you'd be better off...

[resident-shooter]

Why not simply use #4 buckshot? I doubt it will penetrate the walls....

[DirtyDave]

Why not simply use #4 buckshot? I doubt it will penetrate the walls....

#4 buck will go right through a wall

[ivangrozny2009]

Good points all, but the question wasn't about LETHALITY it was about LEGALITY. Can I LEGALLY have such rounds in the apartment in CA?

[jdewolf]

Taken from the "HD Scenario" Poll/Post.

244.5. (a) As used in this section, "stun gun" means any item,
except a less lethal weapon, as defined in Section 12601, used or
intended to be used as either an offensive or defensive weapon that
is capable of temporarily immobilizing a person by the infliction of
an electrical charge.
(b) Every person who commits an assault upon the person of another
with a stun gun or less lethal weapon, as defined in Section 12601,
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not
exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for 16
months, two, or three years.

[TERRYGER]

12601 excepts shotguns with ammo using standard primers and powder. if the ammo you buy has standard primer and powder it is legal.

whether it is wise is a different situation.

many that advocate the use of 00 buck and the like do not look past the end of their barrel.

it may be a very good defensive ammo but you are responsible for not just the defense it offers but the offense it causes also.

kill a bad guy and a neighbor at the same time and you have your hands full.

but again, that's a different situation.

[CmpsdNoMore]

many that advocate the use of 00 buck and the like do not look past the end of their barrel.

it may be a very good defensive ammo but you are responsible for not just the defense it offers but the offense it causes also.

kill a bad guy and a neighbor at the same time and you have your hands full.

but again, that's a different situation.

What then do you suggest for shotgun shells used for home defense, birdshot?

[Glackowitz]

My shot gun is loaded with 1st round #4Magnum, 2nd & 3rd #2Magnum and 4th & 5th is #BBMagnum. Gun is a semi auto

and I have a handful of #2 and #4 Magnums on the shelf in the closet ready to go. I think I need to get a side saddle ordered to keep a few more on the gun.

I im in high hopes that I never have to aim it at another person in my life, but things in the world are changing every day and it seems that none of it is for the better.

Wife decided she wanted Chickens again, so we bought a 1/2 dozen friday, and the guys at the co op said this year they have already sold more than any other year and still have a couple weeks left.

[Wherryj]

I doubt that anything that can't penetrate 1/4' of drywall will be lethal or even a good deterent for attackers.

Even Glaser slugs will penetrate sheetrock and these are often debated as to whether they are lethal.

[jeager]

"I didn't think it would Kill him"
is a lamer excuse than
"I didn't think it was Loaded"

[John Browning]

If it won't go through walls, it won't go through people and is worthless as a self-defense tool. Come up with a good plan, and have the right tool (i.e. lethal #4 buck) to make sure you're not dead if things go badly.