Pistol grip owners.

[Killawhale415]

I guess everyone has a different idea of accuracy. Hitting a human torso sure but what if ya wanna shoot the guys eye out with a slug at 25 yards? thats what I'd like to do...

Well yeah thats a different story theres no way I would be able to do that kind of stuff with a PG. Personally I just use a PG on my shotgun for fun , I prefer a full stock any day.

[eastershawn]

i have an 870 with 18 inch barrel and hogue tamer pistol grip. i had a front pistol grip on the front too but it didnt help and it was loose. the pistol grip only is cool. it is accurate within 20 yards like everyone else said. it only hurts with slugs, 00 buck is ok. i even shoot clays one handed with birdshot, seriously. you dont only have to shoot from the hip, you can put it up and aim it. if you dont believe me look at some videos on you tube. or even better try it yourself.

[darkjedi351]

I actually read your original post and question. unlike some

I have the speedfeed pistol grip and highly reccommend it. I only shoot reduced recoil buck and birdshot through it. It's not designed to shoot slugs.

good luck!

[pyromensch]

pistol grip is for compactness, and ease of maneuverability. if he is going to use it as a need for more boom, in HD, you don't really need a full size stock.

this is what mine looks like

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[CREWDAD]

Pistol Grips Legal in Ca?

I'm new to the shotgun world and just bought a new Mossberg 590. My question is; am I interpreting the California AW Chart right when it says that if a shotgun was modified from its original "meant to be fired from the shoulder" configuration, that its not legal? Or do I just have to keep it in my house or on my property with the pistol grip?

[ke6guj]

I'm new to the shotgun world and just bought a new Mossberg 590. My question is; am I interpreting the California AW Chart right when it says that if a shotgun was modified from its original "meant to be fired from the shoulder" configuration, that its not legal? Or do I just have to keep it in my house or on my property with the pistol grip?

no, you aren't interpreting the shotgun flowchart correctly. As long as it has an 18+" barrel, with 26" OAL, it doesnt matter if it can be fired from the shoulder or not.

[G38xOC]

pistol grip is for compactness, and ease of maneuverability. if he is going to use it as a need for more boom, in HD, you don't really need a full size stock.

this is what mine looks like

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how is that compare to regular stock pistol grip as far as recoil goes / and on your wrist

[supermario]

I would get a Knoxx top folder. You can shoot it with the PG and you also have the option of having a shoulder stock.

+100, this is a great stock and you get best of both worlds. I had one and it really helped. If you load a shotgun with low recoil and use the knoxx stock, theres not much recoil at all. Perfect for home defense.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-Folder-Shotgun-Stock,1156,165.htm

Turners always has them in stock if you want to check it out yourself.

[pyromensch]

how is that compare to regular stock pistol grip as far as recoil goes / and on your wrist

recoils is just fine, better than a more severe angle of alot of pistol grips out there. you basically hold the shotgun at eye level, as you would if it were a regular stock, except hold it another 15 inches out or so, and your arms bend with the recoil, absorbing it. if your shooting for recreation, wearing gloves with slugs, and buckshot, helps. but for a "one time" HD application, you won't even know you fired it

[DHart]

I don't know a lot about this, nor the exact specifics, but I understand that shotgun laws have recently been changed and that just meeting the 18" bbl/26" overall length requirements isn't the whole story anymore.

Apparently, shotguns have recently been re-defined as shoulder fired only weapons. With the new laws, if the shotgun wasn't originally manufactured and sold with the ability to shoot from the shoulder (with full stock) and with a pistol grip (as many Mossberg 500 combos were sold like), then changing a shoulder firing shotgun to a pistol grip shotgun is NOW illegal, F-E-L-O-N-Y!

I think it's time we gave the whole lot of our "representatives", the "law makers" an UNpaid vacation for a couple of years. We've been lawed-out for waay too long now. Laws, laws, laws... they're killing us with all their freakin' laws. Law makers are our nightmare, NOT our representatives. This country, and California in particular, has turned into a frightfully different place than our founding fathers intended. Thank you liberal *****h@l@s.

[ke6guj]

I don't know a lot about this, nor the exact specifics, but I understand that shotgun laws have recently been changed and that just meeting the 18" bbl/26" overall length requirements isn't the whole story anymore.

Apparently, shotguns have recently been re-defined as shoulder fired only weapons. With the new laws, if the shotgun wasn't originally manufactured and sold with the ability to shoot from the shoulder (with full stock) and with a pistol grip (as many Mossberg 500 combos were sold like), then changing a shoulder firing shotgun to a pistol grip shotgun is NOW illegal, F-E-L-O-N-Y!

incorrect. no laws have recently changed regarding putting a PG on to a shotgun creating a felony. As long as you stay over 26" long, with an 18" barrel, no crime has been committed. If you go below 26" long, then you have created an SBS, which is a crime.

[dragonbait1a]

I'm not so sure...

I don't know a lot about this, nor the exact specifics, but I understand that shotgun laws have recently been changed and that just meeting the 18" bbl/26" overall length requirements isn't the whole story anymore.

Apparently, shotguns have recently been re-defined as shoulder fired only weapons. With the new laws, if the shotgun wasn't originally manufactured and sold with the ability to shoot from the shoulder (with full stock) and with a pistol grip (as many Mossberg 500 combos were sold like), then changing a shoulder firing shotgun to a pistol grip shotgun is NOW illegal, F-E-L-O-N-Y!

I keep an ear to the ground for gun laws, and I've heard nothing about this. Is is supposed to be a Federal, State or Local law, or BATFE "assessment." Source?

It is true that Shotguns are defined in the NFA and state law as shoulder fired weapons, BUT a firearm with an 18"BBL/26"OAL is still a legal Title I firearm same class as 1919s. You have to be 21 instead of 18 to purchase. Nothing I'm aware of stops someone from using a PG only on a shotgun, it's still a shotgun because it was built with a stock. Just like a rifle is still a rifle if you take the buttstock off.

This is an important differentiation between Short Barreled Shotguns (requires an impossible permit in CA) and AOWs (legal in CA if federal laws are followed) You cannot make an AOW out of a shotgun, you must make it from a virgin receiver or a Title I PG shotshell firearm. If you EVER attach a buttstock it becomes a shotgun, and if an AOW it is now an unregistered SBS.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these distinctions are what you are worried about. AFAIK if you legally own a shotgun the PG is a lawful modification (as long as 18"BBL/26"OAL)

If You're right I'd REALLY like to know.

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[DHart]

I surely hope I'm totally wrong... but I'm not a legal expert and do not know for CERTAIN what the recent changes involve.

After inquiring about reducing the length of a shotgun's wood stock to a birds head grip hold, I recently received this from an expert, seasoned shotgun stock specialist:

".....anyone who manufactures a sawed off shotgun other than authorized entities violates the the NFA Gun Control Act of 1968,(revised in 1987, 1992,& 1998) thus the harsh terminology.

Recently the term "shotgun" has been re-defined to mean a SHOULDER fired weapon ONLY. A pistol grip stock alters the term from shotgun to a NFA weapon. Therefore, anything that alters an original factory configuration to a non-aftermarket standardized replacement part is VERBOTEN....meaning I get in really big trouble if I do it. I could loose my FFL, go to jail, lose my firearm priviledges forever and be fined under the new definitions provided by BATFE bulletin March 2010. They seem pretty serious about this issue.

OK, now for the disclaimer: THIS IS HOW THE LAW WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY MY BATFE AGENT.....OPINIONS AMONG AGENTS VARY...BEWARE: HEED MY WARNING NOT TO CUT THE STOCK OFF."

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Perhaps this means that it is legal to install a "standardized" factory made pistol grip but it is illegal to cut a wood stock short to a birds head shape grip? Whacky if that's the case, but then again so many laws are totally whacky!

Still think our lawmakers deserve two-years time off, without pay!

[ke6guj]

I surely hope I'm totally wrong... but I'm not a legal expert and do not know for CERTAIN what the recent changes involve.

After inquiring about reducing the length of a shotgun's wood stock to a birds head grip hold, I recently received this from an expert, seasoned shotgun stock specialist:

".....anyone who manufactures a sawed off shotgun other than authorized entities violates the the NFA Gun Control Act of 1968,(revised in 1987, 1992,& 1998) thus the harsh terminology.

Recently the term "shotgun" has been re-defined to mean a SHOULDER fired weapon ONLY. A pistol grip stock alters the term from shotgun to a NFA weapon. Therefore, anything that alters an original factory configuration to a non-aftermarket standardized replacement part is VERBOTEN....meaning I get in really big trouble if I do it. I could loose my FFL, go to jail, lose my firearm priviledges forever and be fined under the new definitions provided by BATFE bulletin March 2010. They seem pretty serious about this issue.

OK, now for the disclaimer: THIS IS HOW THE LAW WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY MY BATFE AGENT.....OPINIONS AMONG AGENTS VARY...BEWARE: HEED MY WARNING NOT TO CUT THE STOCK OFF."

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Still think our lawmakers deserve two-years time off, without pay!

OK, it appears that that guy got FUD'ed by his local BATFE agent. The term "shotgun" has been defined as a "shoulder fired firearm" for many years, perhaps all the way back to 1934. As said before, putting a PG on a shotgun does not make it an NFA item unless it goes below the dimensions stated above.

His statement "Therefore, anything that alters an original factory configuration to a non-aftermarket standardized replacement part is VERBOTEN....meaning I get in really big trouble if I do it." even sounds like cutting down a 26" barrel down to 20" would be illegal, which it isn't.

[DHart]

I agree that it's quite possible this stock specialist is wrong (sure HOPE so)... but it does sound like there was some recent change to laws in March of 2010 which might pertain to this subject. Any legal experts here with access to the laws who can evaluate and interpret the March 2010 changes... whatever they are?