New ammo law??????

[aippi]

I am in Michigan and I am looking for a brief outline of the new law that was just signed in your state about ammo. Can anyone give a brief of the details or a link to it. This may be the sign of things to come for all of us so we are curious.

[nrakid88]

yeah in 2011 all handgun ammunition sales will have to go through a licensed handgun ammo dealer. with fingerprints taken, driver license checked, and name and address written down in the dealers records. Ammo has to be stored in a way that customers can not get to it. Also this bans the online/mail ordering of handgun ammunition.

Also, indirectly, this stupid law is going to ensure that within california there wont be another fully stocked shelf of ammo untill 2011 when the bill is active, because people will be buying all that they can to stock up for the rest of there lives... Which sucks cause now we have to pay even more to get ammo from other sources.

[Rob454]

basically you need to get finger printed and some info if you plan on buying PISTOL ammo. Funny thing is people in other states laugh at out "laws" until they get something similar on their state assembly floor then they go crap dobermans

[DarkHorse]

AB962 does not affect reloading components, as outlined here.

Magazines/speedloaders/etc. are also exempt, as described here, due to different definitions of "ammunition" in different sections of the law. Also, some of the early aspects of the law (50 round limit, licensed dealers) were stripped out before final approval.

[aippi]

thanks guys, I was very concerned about the 50 rd limit. That simply creates another black market and more crime. Still, the Camels nose is under the tent. I completely understand that what happens to you guys can affect me one day. Your state has sent us some realy wack jobs to Washington and they have a say over my fate and the fate of every gun owner. I support this CA web site because I support all gun owners and gun owners in your state, MA, IL, NY and a few others should be supported by all of us and we need to pay attention to what is going on there.

[plankowner]

so is this only for PISTOL ammo only, does this apply to rifle ammo also

[pigiron]

so is this only for PISTOL ammo only, does this apply to rifle ammo also

Not yet.

[prc77]

The arguement is now ,,,what IS pistol ammo.

[troysland]

The Wording is "Handgun Ammunition". What then for those of US that own rifles that are chambered in a "handgun caliber"? Or better yet, rifle calibers that are used in handgun/pistol variants? (ie AR & AK pistols)

In any case, AB 962 doesn't have legs to stand on and will be deemed unconstitutional. The waiting is the worst part.

[Mike A]

My letter to the legislators pointed this issue out--there is hardly any such thing as "handgun ammo," and there hasn't been since the Civil War. I own rifles AND handguns in .22 RF, .22 WRM, .32WCF, .38/.357, .38WCF, .44WCF, and .44 Mag. And I know plenty of people who own both in .30-30, .308, .30-06, .223, .35 Rem.....you get what I mean. So this "handgun control" measure becomes a "gun control" measure, pure and simple.

Like most such laws it was compounded from equal parts malice and ignorance. Learn to reload.

[paul0660]

having a C&R and COE exempts you from the requirements of 962. Whether this is going to make a difference to out of state vendors, who now only need proof of age, is unknown.

[Justintoxicated]

Hmmmm, does this mean ammo will still be able to be sold without fingerprints if sellers claim it is for a rifle?

Sort of like when Cali banned my Plastic Fuel Jugs, they can no longer be purchased online either! But go into any ATV shop and you can still pick them up as Utility Jugs and they are marked as (not for Fuel).

So will dealers simply be able to mark the section of their store "For Rifle Use Only" and sell common Handgun Calibers (so long as they are for rifles)? Then if lawsuits follow they can simply show a picture and say that it was clearly marked for rifle use only?

[HondaMasterTech]

Californias laws will not infect the rest of the Nation. There are some wonderful people who are intelligent, educated and good-hearted working on stopping the nonsense. Digging up the root, so to speak. I have confidence in them. In the mean time, I plan on educating myself, voting and communicating with my legislators, senators and congressmen about my concerns.

[jasonnorcal]

I also believe it is a way for Arnie to get more tax$ No tax when you buy ammo online.