The relationship between over-unders and suits

[MFortie]

Pacific Sporting Arms in Azusa.

That’s where I bought my CG and they were very helpful.

[duckman1]

I shoot a Browning Cynergy Hybrid 12ga. It?s very nice looking and shoots well. All in about $2,000.


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[CSACANNONEER]

When I picked up my Perazzi MX12 a few years ago, I took it to Perazzi USA to have it evaluated, serviced and repaired. While talking to AL, the President of Perazzi USA, I discovered that they will make a custom fit gun for the same price as off the rack yet, with a +2 year lead time, most people choose to buy off the rack. No, I'm not in a position to buy a Perazzi but, I got this beet up gunsmith special at auction for less than a brand new decent, non Turkish, entry level O/U.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Jordan: Thanks for chiming in. It is good to hear from someone who actually knows what he is talking about on this subject. And since I know you've been at PSA for many years? ( 20+?) I'm sure this question has come up thousands of times? How did you ever handle it?

I find it amusing that virtually every gun I pick up "Fits Me???" And I can adapt to it in a matter of a minute or so.

In fact the only shotgun that I have ever mounted that didn't fit me belonged to a guy who was 6'8" tall and the gun had a 16"LOP. It was a Perazzi made for him and I believe he bought it thru you guys at PSA about 20 years ago.

I do have the advantage of 34 Shooting Classes at Front Sight so I've had Gun Mounting down pat for many years. They teach you about proper gun mount in the first half hour of every Rifle and Shotgun class. They also teach you how to find your "Shoulder Pocket" by Sticking your thumb out and folding your arm back towards your shoulder until your thumb contacts your shoulder in the meaty area between your collar bone and shoulder joint.

Just being able to find the Shoulder Pocket on your body is something most shooters have never been taught.

With Tactical Shotgun's (Pumps and SA's) which are generally much lighter than O/U's, Failure to get the Toe of the Stock into the Shoulder Pocket, and your Head firmly on the Comb of the Stock will result in getting smacked in the chops every time you pull the trigger. Been there and done that too. That took 2 Tac Shotgun classes to beat into me, and I had the bruises to show for it. By Class #3 it had sank in and I came home unscathed..

Before any of that, I had one of my 1st M500 Tac Gun mounted with the Butt Pad inside the Pocket on my Collarbone while laying behind a Hay Bail, and when I touched off a High Base Slug It resulted in a dislocated a Rib which took 3 trips to my Chiropractor to get fixed.

That's when I started loading my own Slugs into regular Trap Loads to reduce the recoil down to a very manageable level ! But after a few of those Tactical Shotgun Classes I learned that Recoil Management is more about Shooting Technique than anything else. I can fire a few "Serious Slugs," and not get hurt by simply mounting the gun correctly, keeping my head on the gun. Gun Set up helps but it is not the end all. Technique is supreme!

My other pet peeve is Blaming the Bad Trigger on their guns for poor shooting.

I have a bunch of guns and the triggers are different on every single one. They range from 3 different Glocks to 15-20 different rifles to a dozen shotguns ranging from My new Citori CXS I bought from you last year, to a 1940 Ithaca M37 to 4 different M500's to 2 A5's, and NO two are alike, so how can I shoot above Mid Pack with every one.

I takes me less than 2 minutes to learn any trigger by dry firing it a few times before I shoot. I have 2 #4 Mk1 Enfield's which have arguably the worst Triggers ever made since Crossbows, and yet I shot my best Short Range Silhouette Score of 32/40 with one of those guns. The triggers on both of those guns are above 6 lbs, and there is at least 1/8" of Creep as well, and yet I learned how to use them effectively? How can that be?

I got taught how to learn a trigger by being taught the different stages of a trigger pull. It ain't that hard! Take Up, Preload, Let Off, and Over Travel.

But all of it comes down to what Jordan was saying in his post. Concentrate on your Technique!! You will find the need for gun mods to be much less if you concentrate on that instead of gun fit and triggers.

My .02

Randy.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Pacific Sporting Arms in Azusa.

That?s where I bought my CG and they were very helpful.

Yup, same here! That place is a museum! No need to fly out to Beretta in Dallas in you live here in Cali. It?s closer.

[BB1776]

Update—

I’m still learning more everyday, which is one of the reasons Calguns is so great. Thanks for all the input, everyone.

I ended up ordering an SP1 with an adjustable comb and I could not be happier. Someday I will one with fancier wood but, for the time being, the wood on my new gun is a lot better than other SP1s I’ve seen.

Next time I am in SoCal I will be sure to visit Pacific Sporting arms!

[BOBGBA]

You can always upgrade just the wood.

That's what I did. Here's where I got mine.

https://www.shop.colegun.com/collections/beretta-680-series-12ga-wood-sets

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[BB1776]

Beautiful!

[leadstorm]

Assuming the individual gun isn't way out of whack for you, then you have to get used to it.

Shotgun shooting is about muscle memory. Get your form down with a particular gun, and then shoot it a lot. One of the worst things you can do is chase basic issues with equipment changes - it just leads to frustration.

[BOBGBA]

Here are some good instructional videos.