Auto vs. Pump

[Thefeeder]

https://www.browning.com/products/fi...otguns/a5.html

Not the A5 he uses -----he shoots the original A5

By the way W.R , I think that instructor was pulling your leg with the 6 duck story....don't know if you hunt duck, but that story will make any duck hunter crack a smile

[W.R.Buchanan]

The Browning Auto 5 I was referring to is a 1963 model. The gun was originally designed around 1900 and ran in it's nearly original form until the 1990's. until it got too expensive to produce. The gun was produced by Remington first and Savage and then FN of Belgium and finally Miroku of Japan.



Arguably the best Auto Loading Shotgun of all time. I have two of them, One for Bird Hunting and one for Fur Hunting / Combat.(shown)



With the fully rifled barrel it is pretty accurate too!


Randy

[theLBC]

Here we go - good article.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...sonal-defense/

i would say that is fair.
while pumps get a small edge in reliability (against a top quality semi-auto), the difference doesn't overcome the advantage in speed.
i mean, for me, using a shotgun for home defense is the extreme scenario like home invasion...in which case being able to send 7+1 towards multiple armed attackers in a few seconds with a 1301 would be invaluable.

/i only have a pump

[W.R.Buchanan]

Where are you going to fire 8 rounds in a few seconds in your house? Are you just going to fire willy nilly and hope for the best?

In a home invasion type of scenario a SA has very little advantage over a Pump, and if you are well versed in the operation of said Pump Gun then there is really no advantage at all.

Learning how to ride the recoil and rack the slide as part of the firing sequence is key to this operation. Fumbling with the slide and not instinctively racking it immediately after the hammer falls is something that has to be corrected in training. It won't happen by itself.

Instead of going out and buying a $1500 shotgun supposedly to prevail in a situation that will probably never occur is kind of a waste, when you could spend the money on Training and learn to use what you've got in a more efficient manner.

Think about it a little,,, What is better,, learning how to run a pump gun well, or not being able to run either gun well at all?

Having nice guns and not knowing how to use them is about like owning a Ducati Monster and leaving it parked in the garage cuz you are afraid of it.

Randy

[theLBC]

Where are you going to fire 8 rounds in a few seconds in your house? Are you just going to fire willy nilly and hope for the best?

In a home invasion type of scenario a SA has very little advantage over a Pump, and if you are well versed in the operation of said Pump Gun then there is really no advantage at all.

Learning how to ride the recoil and rack the slide as part of the firing sequence is key to this operation. Fumbling with the slide and not instinctively racking it immediately after the hammer falls is something that has to be corrected in training. It won't happen by itself.

Instead of going out and buying a $1500 shotgun supposedly to prevail in a situation that will probably never occur is kind of a waste, when you could spend the money on Training and learn to use what you've got in a more efficient manner.

Think about it a little,,, What is better,, learning how to run a pump gun well, or not being able to run either gun well at all?

Having nice guns and not knowing how to use them is about like owning a Ducati Monster and leaving it parked in the garage cuz you are afraid of it.

Randy

well, if we have to consider "every possible scenario", it would happen as multiple invaders enter the premises together.

but again, i don't have a semi-auto shotgun, so this is purely theoretical.
i don't believe i have a need for one, or i would own one already.

as far as running a pump, i have been shooting them for 35 years.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Way more to it than what is required for hunting with one. I thought I knew how to as well, and after 45 years I found out I was woefully under informed.

There is a big difference between "Shooting One" and "Running One."

Go to a Defensive Shotgun class or two and find out what you didn't know that you didn't know. You'll be better off for it.

Randy

[Kurgan]

Where are you going to fire 8 rounds in a few seconds in your house? Are you just going to fire willy nilly and hope for the best?

In a home invasion type of scenario a SA has very little advantage over a Pump, and if you are well versed in the operation of said Pump Gun then there is really no advantage at all......

Combat shotguns are not for home defense. They are more suited to SHTF. A Benelli autoloader used properly can provide an amazing amount of suppressing fire and is devastating at close range.

The big drawback is that they are slow to reload. You empty that sucker and transition to a rifle or pistol.

[diverwcw]

How about?

How about the Stoeger Coach Gun? Double barrel badassery. Flame suit on! LOL

coach-gun-shotgun.jpg

[W.R.Buchanan]

Stoeger also makes a cool O/U with sights and 20" bbls.

https://www.stoegerindustries.com/condor-outback-shotgun

Randy

[SandHill]

How about the Stoeger Coach Gun? Double barrel badassery. Flame suit on! LOL

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Well, it's better than a sharp stick for sure. My biggest beef with a double barrel for HD is the ridiculous endorsement by Brandan. I don't think I want any fiream he approves. That would hold me back even more than the limited ammo capacity.

[Featureless]

You didn't mention the Manufacturers nor the models, but in most to all cases the pump surpasses a semi auto for reliability. In a HD situation that matters more than any other reason.

An exception would be if you were extremely handicapped to the point that you couldn't pump a shotgun. Then the auto makes more sense.

Or, if your attacker winged you during the firefight.

[Featureless]

All guns malfunction. to think otherwise is very short sighted. The key to it is learning how to clear all the malfunctions quickly and efficiently. This is usually covered in your firearms training classes that I'm sure all of you have attended more than once.

If the answer is NOT? then you need to correct that!!! Also I can run a pump gun almost as fast as you can run your auto loader. And I can run my Auto Loader faster than you can run yours! Training is key! YMMV!

Randy

What is your opinion of the Mossy 930? Specifically the JM Pro?

[Featureless]

i have seen people short stroke a pump action

Especially under stress. That's a problem.

[TeamAllen]

What is an A5?

https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/a5/current.html

[W.R.Buchanan]

https://www.browning.com/products/fi...5/current.html

Talking about the old A5, not the new one, go to the first page and look at the pictures.

Randy