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  • #16
    NapalmCheese
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2011
    • 5953

    Originally posted by Cowboy T
    For someone with a more delicate shoulder, I would suggest a .357 Magnum levergun (16") and fire .38 Special +P out of it. The felt recoil is relatively soft, they're easy to aim, and they're most definitely CA legal. The wife loves shooting .38 Special out of ours, and she's a bit recoil-sensitive.

    Even full-house .357 Magnum isn't terrible in, say, a Rossi 92, Winchester, Marlin, or Henry Big Boy. The wife prefers .38 Special, but she can handle .357M out of it if need be.
    Why 38 spl +P from a lever gun but not slugs or buckshot from a .410? A 110 grain JHP makes about 1200 fps from an 18 inch barrel. The 109 grain federal slug is soft lead and runs at 1775 fps (meaning good expansion on target). I guess you can go with heavier bullets in the .38 and more in the magazine with the lever gun. But, if the OP is a hunter, running a pump gun is likely second nature.

    I mean everyone lust raves about Federal's reduced recoil 00 buck. That's 9 .33 caliber pellets at 1140 fps that is somehow just SO much better than 5 .36 caliber pellets at the same velocity?
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    • #17
      BigPimping
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2010
      • 21441

      Mossberg 500 Tactical - HS410 Home Security Pump Shotgun -This home security special purpose shotgun provides modern, state of the art design for the most serious and potentially prolonged defense situation.



      Mossberg has you covered. I've heard these are very effective.
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      • #18
        middleofnowhere
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 579

        Originally posted by Den60
        Henry makes a .410 levergun.

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        • #19
          naz
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2020
          • 3108

          How about 223 if you’re worried about shotgun recoil

          Also, don’t skimp on the recoil pad/stock of whatever long gun you are using

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          • #20
            JagerDog
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2011
            • 14538

            Originally posted by FeuerFrei
            If you have a painful shoulder that can't take impact you're looking at the wrong tool for the job.

            Look at the current crop of PC carbines and match the caliber with what you already have in inventory. Something in a 9mm or ?? What recoil?

            Compatible mags is an obvious plus. HD/HP ammo does better out of a longer tube.
            Better suggestion than most.

            I have a Camp carbine in 45 and on the short list is a PC carbine in .40.

            I'd take them over my pistol caliber lever guns in an HD situation.
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            • #21
              JagerDog
              I need a LIFE!!
              • May 2011
              • 14538

              Originally posted by Den60
              Henry makes a .410 levergun.
              Originally posted by middleofnowhere
              2-1/2" shells I believe. Significantly reduces the suitable ammo choices.
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              • #22
                CWL
                Senior Member
                CGN Contributor
                • Aug 2009
                • 1488

                .410 is plenty for non armored BGs, and nobody said you can't shoot em again if they won't go down!

                Premium brand #000 is still cheap enough to practice with (Fed. 20-rds @ $12.75)

                Practice shooting from the hip at HD/SD ranges
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                • #23
                  Redding
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2018
                  • 23

                  It worked for Sherry in an alley down in Miami Beach so it should work for you in your house.

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                  • #24
                    bruceflinch
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 40127

                    Thanks for the input, Gentlemen.
                    The Henry lever gun is cool, but the 2.5” shells are no bueno.
                    Had a 357 Marlin lever gun once. Liked it, but not what I want.
                    All I have to do is find the Mossberg, now.
                    The stimulus check will cover the cost, nicely.
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                    • #25
                      W.R.Buchanan
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 3378

                      Call Mossberg, they will tell you which Distributors have stock on the model you want and then your LGS can order it direct from them, as long as they deal with that distributor.

                      Go to the Mossberg Website and look at the Model 500's different models.

                      Get t he exact model number and have your shop search for that .

                      You should at least get what you think you want, and not a substitute.

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                      • #26
                        middleofnowhere
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 579

                        If you’re going the Mossberg route, you may want to consider 20 ga. as ammo is much cheaper and likely more available.

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                        • #27
                          W.R.Buchanan
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3378

                          This as a 20 ga is much more effective and don't recoil that much more than a light .410 will. There are also ways to mitigate that recoil with more effective Recoil Pads etc.

                          Here's a pic of a more effective Recoil Pad that adapts to a Magpul Stock on my M500 12 ga. Night and Day difference. Magpul makes the adapter for this pad that akes teh palce of teh standard pad and adapter. This pad is about 40% bigger, (more surface area) and it is also much squishier.

                          I've got them on both my M500's and they work or they wouldn't be there.

                          Randy



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                          • #28
                            SandHill
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                            • Oct 2012
                            • 2207

                            Originally posted by NapalmCheese
                            I mean everyone lust raves about Federal's reduced recoil 00 buck. That's 9 .33 caliber pellets at 1140 fps that is somehow just SO much better than 5 .36 caliber pellets at the same velocity?
                            Personally, I rave about Federal's 12 gauge FliteControl No. 1 buck with 15 .30 caliber pellets: https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box...%20%231%20buck.

                            but I understand that reasonable minds can differ about the "best" load, and the No. 1 FliteControl is complete unobtanium at the moment anyway.

                            But one thing seems clear to me: even if 5 .36 caliber pellets going 1140 fps are not the "best" load, it is hard to see how they would not be "enough."
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                            • #29
                              naz
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jun 2020
                              • 3108

                              Originally posted by SandHill
                              But one thing seems clear to me: even if 5 .36 caliber pellets going 1140 fps are not the "best" load, it is hard to see how they would not be "enough."
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                              • #30
                                NapalmCheese
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 5953

                                Originally posted by naz
                                The OP was interested in using a shotgun, not a handgun shooting shotshells.
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