Benelli M4 is illegal right?

[cseabass]

as i understand it, its perfectly legal. its not over the 10 rnd limit(should be 8 with the gun ghost loaded) and its not a problem with 922 compliance as its a US made part replacing the foreign tube.


one thing you may want to look into though munger is your question about the FCAM on B-forums. im not sure if that would be legal, with the VFG. even with the injury

[thekwyjibo]

as i understand it, its perfectly legal. its not over the 10 rnd limit(should be 8 with the gun ghost loaded) and its not a problem with 922 compliance as its a US made part replacing the foreign tube.


one thing you may want to look into though munger is your question about the FCAM on B-forums. im not sure if that would be legal, with the VFG. even with the injury

Nothing personal, however that statement is partially wrong, It is very important that this is very clear, so as to prevent any run-ins with the police.
There are 2 laws to take into consideration; 1) the assault weapons ban, which is the California law, 2) 922r, a federal import ban (I believe it is US18c 922r to be specific). The Cal assault weapons ban is satisfied by these design changes as stated(unless you do something else like place the collapsing stock on the gun)
The federal 922r import law is NOT satisfied by simply replacing the magazine tube with a domestic manufacture, you have to ALSO get the parts count down to a total of 10 of the listed parts. The m4 with a fixed pistol grip synthetic stock has 13 parts (per the current DOJ count, check my earlier post on this). you have to cut a total of 3 parts off.

Replacing the tube with the full length tube (1 part)
Replacing the plastic follower (1 part)
Replacing the forend (1 part)
Total of 13 parts - the 3 above parts = 10 parts == 922r compliant

It doesn't necessarily have to be these exact parts, but 3 parts on the list have to be replaced to have 922r compliance.
This is not simply my opinion, this is per the memo that the DOJ has sent out. If you write to them they will give you a copy of it as well.

I know how idiotic that this may sound but this is what happens with bureaucrats and legislatures pass laws about technology they know almost nothing about and trying to placate the great unwashed (as in us) after they have panicked everyone and pushed themselves into a corner to come up with a solution to a problem that they have blown out of proportion to get elected.

[cseabass]

thank you for correcting me.


1. Receiver/frame
2. Barrel
3. Bolt
4. Bolt carrier
5. Trigger housing
6. Trigger
7. Disconnector
8. Hammer
9. Buttstock
10. Pistol grip
11. Forearm/handguard
12. Magazine body
13. Follower


is a list of the parts.(correct?)

what would people say to getting some US made parts? maybe hammer, disconnector, and trigger? combined with the mag body and follower, wouldnt that make it compliant with 922 and allow the use of a tele-stock(not in ca) legally?


ETA: it looks like the disconnector is part of the trigger, or, is the silver catch behind the hammer?(i cant find my parts list right now)

[gose]

Or you could just go back a few pages in this thread, since all this has been answered at least once in this thread :P

[cseabass]

ok, is there any intrest in some us made parts, like say a hammer, disconnector and trigger?

those in conjunction with the US made mag tube and follower should allow poeple to run both the extension and collapseable stock(once again not in ca) under 922 correct?

realisticly what would people pay for them?

[gose]

ok, is there any intrest in some us made parts, like say a hammer, disconnector and trigger?
those in conjunction with the US made mag tube and follower should allow poeple to run both the extension and collapseable stock(once again not in ca) under 922 correct?
realisticly what would people pay for them?

Benelli hammers and triggers are around $30, so I would guess not a lot more than that. Maybe $50 each? For a $1000+ shotgun I'd happily pay another $100 to be able to use a mag extension. If it's $200, probably not, but I'm sure there are Benelli aficionados that would pay more to be in compliance.

Also, Im not sure how big the market really is, since most people have no idea that they're breaking federal law by using that mag extension.

[cseabass]

realisticly i would only need to make both the hammer and the trigger to be 922(with us mag tube and follower) to be compliant with the collapsable?

im thinkin about making a run(im going to make ones for me for sure)... think they would sell? maybe around 75 for both?(i would need to check my prices first of course)

[gose]

realisticly i would only need to make both the hammer and the trigger to be 922(with us mag tube and follower) to be compliant with the collapsable?

im thinkin about making a run(im going to make ones for me for sure)... think they would sell? maybe around 75 for both?(i would need to check my prices first of course)

I'd buy a pair for $75.

What you could try though is to buy a bunch of extensions and followers and sell it as a compliance package. Now that would be a unique offering, but I'm sure you would sell quite a few triggers and hammers if you can keep it under $100

[cseabass]

my problem is i am neither a machinist nor an engineer. so, while i know how to blueprint(gotta love the stuff in highschool i picked up) i dont know if i really want to take on a huge thing

[cseabass]

oh one more thing, anyone have an 870 and an m4? will an 870 follower fit?

[MuNgEr]

I like the idea of a compliance kit

[cseabass]

well right now im lookin into the hammer and trigger, a compliance kit may follow. im gonna price some stuff though.

i just placed some calls with a few friends who are MEs. they said they will gladly help out... so...

[peepshowal]

realisticly i would only need to make both the hammer and the trigger to be 922(with us mag tube and follower) to be compliant with the collapsable?

im thinkin about making a run(im going to make ones for me for sure)... think they would sell? maybe around 75 for both?(i would need to check my prices first of course)

I'm interested in any additional M4/M1014 compliance parts. Wish socomguy on benelli forum would make the gas pistons he has mentioned, but not sure he is going to. Thanks for keeping us updated on any progress you make.

[thekwyjibo]

thank you for correcting me.


1. Receiver/frame
2. Barrel
3. Bolt
4. Bolt carrier
5. Trigger housing
6. Trigger
7. Disconnector
8. Hammer
9. Buttstock
10. Pistol grip
11. Forearm/handguard
12. Magazine body
13. Follower


is a list of the parts.(correct?)

what would people say to getting some US made parts? maybe hammer, disconnector, and trigger? combined with the mag body and follower, wouldnt that make it compliant with 922 and allow the use of a tele-stock(not in ca) legally?


ETA: it looks like the disconnector is part of the trigger, or, is the silver catch behind the hammer?(i cant find my parts list right now)

Not a problem, I just don't want anyone running afoul of the law.
I believe that is correct, yes. If you go with the tele-stock then the list becomes 14 (as the pistol grip is no a separate part). On the M4 I believe that the disconnecter is a separate piece, but I would also have to look over he diagrams to verify.

[thekwyjibo]

realisticly i would only need to make both the hammer and the trigger to be 922(with us mag tube and follower) to be compliant with the collapsable?

im thinkin about making a run(im going to make ones for me for sure)... think they would sell? maybe around 75 for both?(i would need to check my prices first of course)

I can almost guarantee they would sell. There are so many people that are trying to get a legal extended magazine tube on the gun right now (not just in California) that they would jump on this in all honesty.

I would buy a set, even for more then 75.
might even see if I can get a collapsing stock and pin and weld it so that it became fixed if I could get the parts count low enough to do so.