Minishells noise level? For HD situations.

[200Apples]

californialawsucks

7 pellets of #4 buck(.24”) and 4 pellets of #1 buck(.3”) at 1200 FPS.

Oh, no kidding. Thanks (I could have looked. I had posted a rhetorical question. Yeah, that’s it. Rhetorical...).

00 buck is .33”. Typically about 9 pellets in a 2 3/4” shell at 1350 FPS.

Most standard double-aught loads, typically, yes, with reduced recoil loads typically traveling 1150.

John Farnham on the subject of shotgun defense suggests that we avoid the slower buck loads and opt for the more potent speeds.

Too, Hornady offers an eight-pellet double-aught to the tune of 1600 fps...

Boom.

[Dirtlaw]

First session of firing minis went perfect. No issues. Every subsequent session has seen cycling issues. Usually stacked rounds that are difficult to extract. Not a simple situation, definitely a deal-breaker for home defense.

Couple of rounds more not worth the maybe it won't factor.

Still experimenting.

A sound decision. Curious though. What shotgun were you using. Mossbergs tend to do better than Rems

[californialawsucks]

Not sure how fast a follow up shot would be with the 1600 FPS stuff lol.

[sigstroker]

A sound decision. Curious though. What shotgun were you using. Mossbergs tend to do better than Rems

You can get a little gadget for Mossberg pumps that clip into the feed port that improves the feeding.

I wonder if they feed through a IWI Tavor? You can probably fit 20 or 25 shells in that thing.

[hunterb]

Nothing beats Federal Flight Control 00 Buckshot or even #4 Buckshot for HD IMO.

[Boarhuntor]

I use XL shells

Nothing beats Federal Flight Control 00 Buckshot or even #4 Buckshot for HD IMO.

You are great, guys, i envy your experience. How often do you do it and could you please tell how they perform on various intruders. Were you be able to stop 250LB male with the first shot or you had to repeat? How many times? What about 200LB males? 170LB females?
Did you compare it to other shells? Did you have to use your bayonet to finish the intruder when using other shells?

Asking only because i do not have shotgun gunfight experience, only M16 and Galil, but it is a different animal. I expect a shotgun to be more potent on humans. Please share


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[CWL]

You are in a life-or-death struggle and you're worried about hearing damage? C'mon!

There is something called "auditory exclusion" where your brain shuts out everything not necessary for you to process in times of great stress. It's like how everything slows down during an auto accident.

Believe me, you will barely be aware of any gunshot sounds. I was on the recieving end of artillery once and all I remember hearing was the sound of my own heartbeat.

In a fight, worry more about having enough stopping power, wimpy mini shells aren't going to do it. Use something designed to put down 2-legged threats. I suggest Federal reduced recoil buckshot, it's what the FBI use and they have not reported any failures to stop with them.

[FeuerFrei]

when in a shooting situation the brain does not recognize noise , you will not actually hear it . If it moves ,shoot it again

I have experienced that. Caveman brain takes over.

[9Cal_OC]

I wouldn't rely on mini shells for HD, go big or go home.
They only cycle reliably in particular shotguns, no bueno.

Yep. And keep some spares nearby.

[SnWnMe]

The mini shells also recoil ALOT less so if you're the kind of guy who uses the kick of a pump to cycle the gun at the peak of recoil so you're ready to go bang again as soon as you're back on target, it will throw your style off.

But if you're the fire, get back on target, cycle, fire, kind of guy, it might work as long as it feeds reliably.

It will be great in a SxS!

[Darto]

maybe a .410, Buds CA compliant list...

[M76]

^^^or 20 gauge if sound/recoil is a concern^^^

[TFA777]

when in a shooting situation the brain does not recognize noise , you will not actually hear it . If it moves ,shoot it again

^this. Read "on combat" by col grossman. The body shuts off the gunshot. It's so pronounced a lot of cops think their gun malfunctions because they don't hear it fire.
Apparently the same happens for hunters (ask how many hunters wear earpro), but I can't confirm such.

[sigstroker]

The eardrums don't shut anything off. They just rupture, or the small bones just fracture. "Brain shutting off" has nothing to do with it.

I first hunted over 50 years ago. Of all the other hunters I ever met, none of them, including me, ever shot at an animal inside a house.

[TFA777]

The eardrums don't shut anything off. They just rupture, or the small bones just fracture. "Brain shutting off" has nothing to do with it.

I first hunted over 50 years ago. Of all the other hunters I ever met, none of them, including me, ever shot at an animal inside a house.

I suggest you read the book. It's well documented, there is no loss of hearing no ringing in the ears, no known damage.

It's actually not known how, it's not a function of the brain shutting it off, there's a physiological response in the ear that somehow shuts out the sound and prevents damage.