Hi-Vis Sight

[meno377]

Regarding birds: Just like football, when the quarterback throws the ball where the receiver WILL BE. Not where he is.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Gosh I must be looking at the birds since I can't possibly average 19-20 at Skeet with my .410 O/U? and I don't shoot that often.

I guess I'm kinda arse backwards as I look at the front bead and pick up the bird as it leaves the house and passes the bead and then swing thru it..

I don't see how you control windage errors without looking over the front sight. You've got to establish your cheek weld in order to have a consistent "Rear Sight, " on a shotgun, in fact my .410 and my 12ga both have mid rib beads so you are going for the Figure 8 sight alignment which takes care of that, and I re-establish it for every shot before I call for the target. This is how I know I'm "down"on the gun. Then the target goes by the bead and I swing thru it and break the shot when the lead is right.

My Citori XT 12 ga came with a green Hiviz .

My misses mostly come from having the gun pointed at the wrong place when I call for the target and having to make a correction that is off line with the target. On stations 3,4,5 it is usually lead errors. Station 8 high house is the hardest shot as the pattern on a .410 at 5 or so yards is about 3" and if you aren't pointed in line it is hard to get on line before the target is past you.

I shoot both eyes open on rifle, pistol and shotgun and have always done it that way.

So where am I goin' wrong here.?

Randy

[ysr_racer]

Once this happened (front bead fell off)



This happened (won my class in the 2011 state sporting clays championship)

[ysr_racer]

Gosh I must be looking at the birds since I can't possibly average 19-20 at Skeet with my .410 O/U? and I don't shoot that often.

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No offense, but skeet targets are right in your face. I would expect anybody with a little practice to be able to shoot a 20.

How would you do on a 50 yard crosser? Or a 60 yard chondelle? Or a 70 yard teal?

[meno377]

Gosh I must be looking at the birds since I can't possibly average 19-20 at Skeet with my .410 O/U? and I don't shoot that often.

I guess I'm kinda arse backwards as I look at the front bead and pick up the bird as it leaves the house and passes the bead and then swing thru it..

I don't see how you control windage errors without looking over the front sight. You've got to establish your cheek weld in order to have a consistent "Rear Sight, " on a shotgun, in fact my .410 and my 12ga both have mid rib beads so you are going for the Figure 8 sight alignment which takes care of that, and I re-establish it for every shot before I call for the target. This is how I know I'm "down"on the gun. Then the target goes by the bead and I swing thru it and break the shot when the lead is right.

You mount your eye over the barrel, but once you see the bird, you are looking at the bird.

My Citori XT 12 ga came with a green Hiviz .

My misses mostly come from having the gun pointed at the wrong place when I call for the target and having to make a correction that is off line with the target. On stations 3,4,5 it is usually lead errors. Station 8 high house is the hardest shot as the pattern on a .410 at 5 or so yards is about 3" and if you aren't pointed in line it is hard to get on line before the target is past you.

I shoot both eyes open on rifle, pistol and shotgun and have always done it that way.

So where am I goin' wrong here.?

Randy

Maybe it works for you. But that is not common to look at the bead while shooting birds. You should be looking either over the barrel or across the barrel to see your target. You can make the argument when shooting straight shots going away or coming directly towards you, but NO ONE I KNOW has ever shot clays, birds looking at the bead/down the barrel.

EDIT: A good video to watch. At 3:35 listen.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFUHXrMWUXo

[RandyCat]

you are going for the Figure 8 sight alignment which takes care of that, and I re-establish it for every shot before I call for the target. This is how I know I'm "down"on the gun. Then the target goes by the bead and I swing thru it and break the shot when the lead is right.

So where am I goin' wrong here.?

Randy

You are doing[goin'] everything perfect, just a question from a n00b: while duck or rabbit hunting, you reestablish your alignment, find your snowman "8", get down on the gun. But when you call, who releases the duck/rabbit? Do you have a special man for it or you train them before going hunting?
Otherwise, in my limited experience, you would not hit a chit mi amigo.

Randy...

[W.R.Buchanan]

Been hitting "chit" for 60 years. Don't know how I do it.?

Don't shoot ducks and I shot rabbits with a .22 rifle when I shot Rabbits, don't shoot rabbits anymore.

By the time you get to shooting Doves and Quail you already have your gun mount down pat. If you don't, you don't get many birds.

Around here I shoot doves in Avocado Orchards,,, with my .410. If the birds are there we all have our limits by 7:30 AM.

Randy

[meno377]

Been hitting "chit" for 60 years. Don't know how I do it.?

Don't shoot ducks and I shot rabbits with a .22 rifle when I shot Rabbits, don't shoot rabbits anymore.

By the time you get to shooting Doves and Quail you already have your gun mount down pat. If you don't, you don't get many birds.

Around here I shoot doves in Avocado Orchards,,, with my .410. If the birds are there we all have our limits by 7:30 AM.

Randy

You're right about gun mounting, but what doesn't make sense is when you are targeting a bird at 40 yards or more, then you keep your focus on the bead. If you focus on the bird, your peripheral vision picks up the bead or end of the barrel because it's less than 40 inches away. Why would you focus on the bead instead of the bird at 40 YARDS away?

Do you actually believe your peripheral vision is that good that you can pick up a bird out at 40 yards with a proper lead? I am convinced by your post that you are actually shifting your focus on the birds and don't even realize it if you've been shooting for as long as you say.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Do you actually believe your peripheral vision is that good that you can pick up a bird out at 40 yards with a proper lead? I am convinced by your post that you are actually shifting your focus on the birds and don't even realize it if you've been shooting for as long as you say.

Well yes I do,,, since the bird appears to be anywhere from 2-4" on either side of the muzzle of the gun. My peripheral vision works just fine in that field of view.

I really don't see what all the hubbub is about.

In Skeet, You point the gun a few feet outside the high or low house and establish your mount which in my case also includes picking up the Front Bead, (sight picture) and as the bird flies past the muzzle you swing thru it and break the shot when the lead is right.

Shooting with both eyes open, this is not even a problem.

For Trap there are specific places on the house where you aim for each station. After you assess which of the five angles the bird is flying you crank in the lead for that angle and let fly. Remembering which lead for each bird is the tricky part

This is all explained in detail in the "Fundamentals of Trap Shooting" available for free download at the Remington Website. You guys should read it as it is the basics most people have never heard of

Gosh, they even show you how to place your feet for each station, and show you exactly where to lead the bird for each station and angle of launch. There are 25 different combinations, however many overlap from one side to the other, so really there are only about 10 leads to remember. Some are easier than others.

This ain't that hard.

What is hard about Trap is maintaining your concentration, and that's what the game is all about.

If you watch you will see way more people in a shoot off at a Skeet Shoot as opposed to a Trap Shoot. That's because Trap is a harder game, and it's not the "shooting" part that is harder, it's the "concentration" part.

Randy