Home Defense / Zombies!!

[BillCA]

Besides the ballistic Gel, has anyone seen these tested against walls?

http://www.boxotruth.com

The sad fact that sheetrock does very little to impede the progress of a bullet, even at 700 fps. Nor does an insulated wall. Hitting a 2x4 stud can slow a bullet down and might even stop one. But studs make up less than 15% of a wall's structure.

who knew this was such a debate???? when a shotty was the only thing i had i used 3 rounds bird then three rounds 00 buck ... i figured the buck would go trough the walls so i put it last....like a just in case kinda thing.

Within about 4 feet of the muzzle both the powder gases and the shotgun wad will cause tissue damage. Out to about 6 feet, the wad can break the skin and lodge there. At about 10ft (across your bedroom for instance) chances are fairly good that #2 or #4 birdshot will be at least debilitating. Buckshot is likely to be fatal. A COM load of buckshot under 30ft is generally considered fatal in most shootings due to trauma and massive blood loss through multiple large holes.

[AndrewMendez]

http://www.boxotruth.com

The sad fact that sheetrock does very little to impede the progress of a bullet, even at 700 fps. Nor does an insulated wall. Hitting a 2x4 stud can slow a bullet down and might even stop one. But studs make up less than 15% of a wall's structure.



Within about 4 feet of the muzzle both the powder gases and the shotgun wad will cause tissue damage. Out to about 6 feet, the wad can break the skin and lodge there. At about 10ft (across your bedroom for instance) chances are fairly good that #2 or #4 birdshot will be at least debilitating. Buckshot is likely to be fatal. A COM load of buckshot under 30ft is generally considered fatal in most shootings due to trauma and massive blood loss through multiple large holes.

I Tried that link earlier and didn"t get anything...

[Electric Factory]

who knew this was such a debate????

My feelings exactly. And the acrimony attached to the issue by some completely escapes me.
Why does ______ give a s*** what kind of rounds ________ does or doesn't put in HIS own shotgun ??

[jrau13]

They penetrate less than youd think actually:

Same as a 9mm, if not less

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

Good read

[cheese]

Anyone have that picture of the guy shot in the face with birdshot? I remember seeing it here before.

[arfan66]

Screw the shotgun....get yourself a 'LOBO'

ref. "World War Z" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z

[Hot Brass]

00 buck has a history of stopping fights, and BG.

[BillCA]

My mistake... I mis-typed the URL.

It's http://www.theboxotruth.com/

Box O truth... not "of"

[JollyTar]

I live on a boat and just bought an 870 Marine for fun, target and BD (Boat Defense). My worry is punching a hole through the hull, tanks, etc. However, I do want to 'deep six' any zombie-shark that tries to board me in the middle of the night.

I don't want to use bird shot but I also don't want to over penetrate with 00 Buck or slugs. The middle ground is what, ya think? #1, #2, etc?

[prc77]

They penetrate less than youd think actually:

Same as a 9mm, if not less

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

It went through 12 sheets of sheetrock. That is OVER PENATRATION for home defence.

More box of truth. Pay attention to theshotgun part.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

[bowfin]

I've not read this from the experts but I do have friends that are past and presant LAPD training officers, distant (inside joke) relatives that instruct at Gunsite, friends working in the middle east

Randy,

Unless I am misconstruing what "home defense" means, none of these experts you are alluding to are dealing exclusively with shooting across rooms. They might be trying to shoot 50 yards with a shotgun, and that would naturally disqualify anything but buckshot.

However, if we are talking never leaving the house, then bird shot is more than enough at across the room distances. If your experts disagree, then I'll have to be the odd man out, because I can't discount what I have seen with my own eyes in favor of someone else's theory.

[Hamster16]

i use 00 buck because i dont feel that bird shot will penetrate a skull and with nano technology becoming more and more advanced its only a matter of time before zombies become a real problem so for me skull penetration is of the highest importance. regardless blades never need reloading and a machete or a crow bar would be very good for zombie defense and for only 6.88 at walmart you can have one too. hell you could take out a $h1tload of zombies for 6.88 compared to the price of a box of ammo. the only problem is out in the open with a horde a crowbar or machete will not be the best option for that i will always grab the guns. be prepared for zombies and you will be ready for anything.

[randy]

Bow if that is your mind set and you are comfortable with that then by all means do that.

Everybody schooling me have paroled multiple suspects to Jesus. Have taught or teach at some of the more upper echelon schools.

I haven't been there or done that. No personal experience but I'm not going doubt what these guys have told me, and think I know more. I'm not going to watch a video and say see that's what happens when you shoot drywall. I'm not worried about drywall I'm worried about the guy or guys in the house.

[TheBundo]

I see no need to call people morons. Everyone's situation is different, and we are responsible to decide in our own situations. I have a series of very short halls in L-shapes. None is even 20 feet long, but each has a window out of it at the far end. A few feet beyond those windows are neighbor's windows. That's why I start with birdshot. I also don't need to "clear the house", just defend those hallways, where the people are, until the cops get there. However, as I pointed out, my follow-on shots rise into buck and then slug, IF needed. The only birdshot is chambered and ready to fire with a flick of the safety.

Frankly, this scenario is unlikely to happen to any particular one of us in a lifetime, but it likely will to some (few) of us.

I'm also sorry so many of your friends and relatives have killed multiple people, Randy. Must be a tough way to sleep, regardless of the situation.

[AndrewMendez]

Whoa this is still going.... How about if the guy gets away..
If i where shot with a bird shot at 20 feet away, i can probably find a buddy to take them out...Hell leave them in, it worked for Dick Cheney's Friend. But if I was hit with 1 or 2 of the 15 pellets I have in my Magnum bucks shots at home. I would drive my behind to the ER..... AND FASSSST!