Rack pump shotgun too fast?

[walmart_ar15]

Lol, now there's 2 situations we civilians are likely to encounter frequently

Seems like not a single day goes by where I'm not breeching doors or bruising protestors.

Lol, yup at the same time during those daily events we fight off home intruders with our M4 combat shotgun

[sargenv]

Many people probably wouldn't believe me but I have been able to shoot doubles with a 20 ga winchester 1300. Used to shoot clays at my family's property back in the 90s. Not saying I could do the feat regularly but I have done it a least a few times. The last time I had my former roommate there with me and he witnessed me pull it off one time. So I know doubles are possible with a pump shotgun.

I completely believe it.. there have been many a time when I short stroked an 870 in either 20 or 410 and still had enough time to recover and tag that second clay as it heads behind the wall on skeet..

If the gun or I don't screw up well, let's just say I occasionally shoot 25 straight now and then

[champu]

I disagree with your statement.

Not exactly.

My intent, to be clear, was not to be dismissive of opinions such as these. Again, I understand that the sight picture used, etc. is different for different types of shooting. The hill I'm dying on here is against the hit-and-run "Aim a shotgun? Lol noob!" posts.

Two reasons 1) It reminds me of those stupid "life hack" people, where you may as well be posting, "improve your shotgun shooting with this one neat trick!" The mistaken impression being that just because someone used the word "aim", they're doing everything wrong and they need your help. 2) When people chastise "aimers" without further elaboration it can come across as promulgating the myth that "you don't have to aim a shotgun."

[shovelon]

My intent, to be clear, was not to be dismissive of opinions such as these. Again, I understand that the sight picture used, etc. is different for different types of shooting. The hill I'm dying on here is against the hit-and-run "Aim a shotgun? Lol noob!" posts.

Two reasons 1) It reminds me of those stupid "life hack" people, where you may as well be posting, "improve your shotgun shooting with this one neat trick!" The mistaken impression being that just because someone used the word "aim", they're doing everything wrong and they need your help. 2) When people chastise "aimers" without further elaboration it can come across as promulgating the myth that "you don't have to aim a shotgun."

It is more of an inside joke best left as a "Laugh with me, not at me" statement.

Now with that said, do you get why you don't aim a shotgun shooting at clays?

[CandG]

Now with that said, do you get why you don't aim a shotgun shooting at clays?

I'm not a clay shooter, so this is an honest question that I'm curious about. Why don't you aim when shooting clays? Wouldn't it simply be a "leading aim" of sorts? With a reflex sight especially, I don't see how you'd be at a disadvantage against someone who's "pointing" (not using sights at all). Legit question, I'd like to hear more about this since some day I'd like to get into clay shooting, and eventually waterfowl hunting.

[shovelon]

I'm not a clay shooter, so this is an honest question that I'm curious about. Why don't you aim when shooting clays? Wouldn't it simply be a "leading aim" of sorts? With a reflex sight especially, I don't see how you'd be at a disadvantage against someone who's "pointing" (not using sights at all). Legit question, I'd like to hear more about this since some day I'd like to get into clay shooting, and eventually waterfowl hunting.

Well you are never looking down the barrel of the shotgun, so you can't aim it. You are looking at your target, pointing your shotgun where the target will be when the shot reaches it not where the target is. A lot of new clay shooters look back at the gun to aim at their lead then look back at the target while pointing at that lead. Mass brain fart ensues. The gun is just dancing all around.

The other huge reason not to aim is with aiming you typically close one eye. With keeping "both eyes" on the target you never look back at the gun to aim it. The gun follows the eyes, and your peripheral vision in conjunction with muscle memory and subconscious thinking points the gun to the correct lead. This is all done within milliseconds when the subconscious takes control.

You can also pickup the target much faster with both eyes open. In skeet and trap there is a hold point and a look point. The best shooters let their eyes go into soft focus, then when they first see the flash of the clay they lock on and let their mind do the math while the shooter goes through the routine. The routine is nearly the same every time so the mind is in the happy place.

Forget all of that when it comes to sporting clays. The staff does everything possible to trip you up. Find the bird with both eyes then whatever strikes your fancy.

[xtra870]

So the topic of racking the slide before the shot clears the barrel but riddle me this ****. On a few of my 870s I've had the problem of accidentally putting pressure on the fore end while the hammer is still falling pr has already fallen and the action will "jam". This hasn't happened to me in years as I hardly shoot the pumps anymore but the only way to get the spent shell out was to slam the butt on the ground while holding the fore end.

[sleepur606]

Since the Flash can travel back in time, could he actually rack the slide before pressing the trigger?

Or, he could run at the target and let go of the shell as he passed it. This would deliver much more impact strength to the target, right? Imagine a 1 ounce lead slug traveling at the speed of light. How much damage would that do?

Most pump shotguns, at least that I have shot, lock the bolt forward when the action is cycled, so you cannot pump the action until you either A) pull the trigger, or B) press the bolt release. If you press the bolt release to cycle the action, I'm pretty sure you cannot pull the trigger to discharge the gun.

So the topic of racking the slide before the shot clears the barrel but riddle me this ****. On a few of my 870s I've had the problem of accidentally putting pressure on the fore end while the hammer is still falling pr has already fallen and the action will "jam". This hasn't happened to me in years as I hardly shoot the pumps anymore but the only way to get the spent shell out was to slam the butt on the ground while holding the fore end.

See above about locking the bolt. Also, if you're applying pressure backward when the trigger is pulled, USUALLY you can simply push the fore-end forward (away from the trigger) slightly and then be able to rack the action. Slamming the buttstock to clear this sort of jam could, potentially, damage the locking mechanism of the shotgun.

Last: point vs. aiming is semantics. Are you asking me for a tissue or a Kleenex? They accomplish the same thing and, if you're going to bring up the one eye vs. two eye argument, shooting with both eyes open is usually a lot less stressful on your eyes if you can learn to ignore (for the most part) your non-dominant eye. But I'm sure someone will tell me I'm wrong and that pointing and aiming ARE NOT the same, and that's why I can't shoot 25s. Oh well...

[jeffrice6]

Necro

[Garandimal]

For a pump, put a rearward pressure on the fore-end when mounting the shotgun, and keep the left elbow low (15-30 deg), no more than 45 deg out of plumb.

Because of the rearward pressure, in recoil, the fore-end automatically starts back as the Bbl. comes up, and is then continued for the "pump." Then the fore-end is pushed forward to snap the Bbl. back down and the bolt goes into battery.

Very fast with a little practice. Doubles are no problem.




GR

[novabrian]

You are supposed to wait at least 5 seconds in between racking the slide.10 seconds for ATI's.

[MJB]

I've slammed fired my Ithaca mod 37 a few times......it also won me lots of money......6k guns vs my 250 was always a crowd pleaser.

[nitroxdiver]

Seems like not a single day goes by where I'm not breeching doors

So you must have teen daughters also. No other way to get in the fracking bathroom than a breeching round from a 12 gauge master key!




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[shovelon]

You are supposed to wait at least 5 seconds in between racking the slide.10 seconds for ATI's.

You lost me there. Are you talking about hangfires? I skeet doubles with many pump shooters. They can rack for a double in less than a second and get the shot. Some shotguners like old Winchester pumps for it's ablity to slide back and auto-eject the spent shell so all that is required by the shooter is to rack the next shell.

[JagerDog]

Racking a pump too fast is like getting too many BJ's.