shorter than 2 in

[packnrat]

i was reading about cutting some hulls shorter than 2in then loading up for home defense?
reason was so one could have more than just 5 rounds in the gun. (reloading in the dark and nerves reasons) and the slightly lower loadings would have less chance of going through walls. to a family or next door.

of course would not work so great in a semi auto style. but meant for a pump.

what say the better informed?

[Fjold]

How do you cut the existing shells and keep the shot in? You lose the crimp.

Can you imagine the opposing attorney's opening statement to the Jury.

"The defendant intentionally altered the ammunition to make his gun more deadly so he could inflict the maximum amount of damage to my client's son/husband/father, etc."

[SilentPea]

Just go find a stash of the Aguila minishells in buck and slug.
There's also the NobelSport MiniBuck, but they're about 0.5" longer than the Aguilas.

Both run great in winchester 1300/SXPs, but you'll want to test it out with your specific shotgun. Some shotguns will let them get backwards on the lifter and cause heinous jams. The Nobelsport ones might have better reliability with the 500/870 guns.

[Joseph Lee]

I think you're confusing cut-shells with minishells.

Mini shells are literally short shells. Some will cycle in pumps, some won't.

A cut shell is whole different animal. You cut the hull almost all the way around, a little past the charge. When fired, the load and the surrounding shell will both travel down the barrel making a poor-man's slug.

[snowdog650]

Read the notes carefully ... they don't function very well, it seems.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot

[snowdog650]

I think you're confusing cut-shells with minishells.

Mini shells are literally short shells. Some will cycle in pumps, some won't.

A cut shell is whole different animal. You cut the hull almost all the way around, a little past the charge. When fired, the load and the surrounding shell will both travel down the barrel making a poor-man's slug.

Huh. Never heard of that before. Thanks for the vid.

[billped]

For HD purposes I would *never* use a hacked up product, partly for legality/suit reasons but mostly because I want a reliable system.

[CandG]

I would buy a different shotgun that holds more than 5 shells WAY before I considered running unreliable underpowered ammo.

For HD, I don't really give a crap what kind of wacky shotshells you can buy or make, I use plain ol' 2.75" 00-buck shells. First, it's proven. Second, EVERYONE uses it for Hd. As mentioned by others, if you end up having to use your shotgun, do you really want to look like the hermit who sits in his garage, handcrafting his own ammo? That certainly ain't gonna help your case.

[packnrat]

How do you cut the existing shells and keep the shot in? You lose the crimp.

Can you imagine the opposing attorney's opening statement to the Jury.

"The defendant intentionally altered the ammunition to make his gun more deadly so he could inflict the maximum amount of damage to my client's son/husband/father, etc."

i doubt they would be "deadlier"
but at just 2 inches could hold 1 or 2 more in the tube.

and you unload the hull before cutting. tad less padding. and the plastic inside needs to be adjusted pending total length.

but in reality if six can not stop them your a very bad shot.
and then there is the rifle right behind you. 11 shots ready to go (california legal 10 in the mag, one chambered).


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[CandG]

i doubt they would be "deadlier"
but at just 2 inches could hold 1 or 2 more in the tube.

and you unload the hull before cutting. tad less padding. and the plastic inside needs to be adjusted pending total length.

but in reality if six can not stop them your a very bad shot.
and then there is the rifle right behind you. 11 shots ready to go (california legal 10 in the mag, one chambered).

I agree on all counts - shorter shells aren't deadlier, and it'll hold more in the tube. IF you buy factory 2" shells, you're probably ok from a jury point of view, where things can get ugly is when you start modifying your shells. Put yourself in John C. Juror's shoes. Even if you know they were weaker rounds, the prosecutor will spin it differently. Anyways, whatever route you choose, make sure you test-fire it A LOT at the range to make sure it cycles ok. Make sure it isn't more susceptible to jams and/or short-stroking than normal ammo. I would still highly consider just getting a larger magazine and using the shells the gun was designed to use.

[pacrat]

It's time to answer a question with a question.

Why would anyone want to shoot more rounds of less effective ammo? In order to fire the same overall pellet count as fewer rounds of proven effective ammo?




Some manufacturers market crap just so they can sell crap. Then hire people to "talk up" their crap, as supposed proof that it is good crap.

just say'n

[xxINKxx]

Just buy a magazine extension. They make them super short that barley alters the looks of the gun that holds +2 for a lot of models

[deadcoyote]

I like a combo of 3" truflite buckshot by federal since it has a range of over 35 yards and generic Remington 3" 15 pellet 00, since it's cheap and a good round besides range.

[plumbum]

I have some of the 2.25" Nobel sport loads of 6 pellets of '00' buck - cycles well in my Maverick 88, Stevens 350 and a few others we tried. Kicks like a dove load and patterns seemed consistent at appropriate range (just the pistol berm out at Oroville). Gives me 7 rounds in the Stevens (don't remember how much the Maverick added). Seemed like a good idea at the time, now I have them strapped to my H&R Pardner 22", because it really kicks with normal loads!

[Fjold]

i doubt they would be "deadlier"
but at just 2 inches could hold 1 or 2 more in the tube.

and you unload the hull before cutting. tad less padding. and the plastic inside needs to be adjusted pending total length.

but in reality if six can not stop them your a very bad shot.
and then there is the rifle right behind you. 11 shots ready to go (california legal 10 in the mag, one chambered).


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I agree on all counts - shorter shells aren't deadlier, and it'll hold more in the tube. IF you buy factory 2" shells, you're probably ok from a jury point of view, where things can get ugly is when you start modifying your shells. Put yourself in John C. Juror's shoes. Even if you know they were weaker rounds, the prosecutor will spin it differently. Anyways, whatever route you choose, make sure you test-fire it A LOT at the range to make sure it cycles ok. Make sure it isn't more susceptible to jams and/or short-stroking than normal ammo. I would still highly consider just getting a larger magazine and using the shells the gun was designed to use.

You guys don't understand.

The opposition lawyer, whether criminal or civil will take everything that you say and do and twist it to make you look like the crazed killer that he wants the jury to believe that you are.

That's why I use unaltered guns and the same ammunition that my sheriff's office uses for my CCW gun. No Black Talons, no Speer flying ashtrays, everything is plain Jane and as easily defensible as possible.