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  • #16
    AFTII
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 1617

    I have one. I haven't shot it much because its difficult to find a place to shoot it. So I've only put a box of shells through it.

    Here are my impressions:

    Its pretty heavy. Standard lists the weight at 9.5lbs, but it feels like more. Even so, that's the weight of a heavy barreled varmint rifle. So, even unloaded, its quite a chunk of metal. It also carries its weight to the rear making it somewhat unwieldy. It balances better when its fully loaded.

    Its built like a tank. No plastic fantastic. But, that's why its so heavy. I saw a youtube video where the tester got the gun to misfeed by tilting the barrel downward toward the ground. In my limited time with the gun, I was unable to reproduce this misfeed. Also, its weight negates the recoil of 12 Ga rounds.

    I haven't shot any yet, but I have loaded the gun with Aguila Mini shells and they functioned flawlessly. Those little guys increase the capacity to 20+ rounds IIRC.

    As best I can tell, the barrels do not converge as they would in a double rifle / shotgun. So, each barrel has its own point of impact. Northstar makes a dual laser (red / green) and I mounted one and sighted each barrel to its own laser POI.

    The fastest action is the double action. It always gives you two reliable shots as fast as you can pull the trigger. The double pump exploits this speed advantage and enhances it by making reloads much faster than in a typical double barrel firearm.

    It didn't take me long get used to bang, bang pump. But, I have never gotten used to the egros. A shotgun should come naturally to your shoulder. For me, this one does not. It's fine once its shouldered, but the fact that it carries its weight to the rear, makes getting it to my shoulder awkward. I think Standard recognized this, and that is why they angled the buttstock to help support the heavy rear of the shotgun when shouldered.

    Pros: Speed, capacity, reliability, quality construction and originality.

    Cons: Weight, ergos

    I'd probably buy it again, but I like unusual guns. (I never bought a KSG or UTAS). That said, it will probably not replace my Benelli Nova as my home defense gun.
    Last edited by AFTII; 05-28-2016, 9:14 AM.

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    • #17
      smak28
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2013
      • 4120

      Originally posted by AFTII
      I have one. I haven't shot it much because its difficult to find a place to shoot it. So I've only put a box of shells through it.

      Here are my impressions:

      Its pretty heavy. Standard lists the weight at 9.5lbs, but it feels like more. Even so, that's the weight of a heavy barreled varmint rifle. So, even unloaded, its quite a chunk of metal. It also carries its weight to the rear making it somewhat unwieldy. It balances better when its fully loaded.

      Its built like a tank. No plastic fantastic. But, that's why its so heavy. I saw a youtube video where the tester got the gun to misfeed by tilting the barrel downward toward the ground. In my limited time with the gun, I was unable to reproduce this misfeed. Also, its weight negates the recoil of 12 Ga rounds.

      I haven't shot any yet, but I have loaded the gun with Aguila Mini shells and they functioned flawlessly. Those little guys increase the capacity to 20+ rounds IIRC.

      As best I can tell, the barrels do not converge as they would in a double rifle / shotgun. So, each barrel has its own point of impact. Northstar makes a dual laser (red / green) and I mounted one and sighted each barrel to its own laser POI.

      The fastest action is the double action. It always gives you two reliable shots as fast as you can pull the trigger. The double pump exploits this speed advantage and enhances it by making reloads much faster than in a typical double barrel firearm.

      It didn't take me long get used to bang, bang pump. But, I have never gotten used to the egros. A shotgun should come naturally to your shoulder. For me, this one does not. It's fine once its shouldered, but the fact that it carries its weight to the rear, makes getting it to my shoulder awkward. I think Standard recognized this, and that is why they angled the buttstock to help support the heavy rear of the shotgun when shouldered.

      Pros: Speed, capacity, reliability, quality construction and originality.

      Cons: Weight, ergos

      I'd probably buy it again, but I like unusual guns. (I never bought a KSG or UTAS). That said, it will probably not replace my Benelli Nova as my home defense gun.
      Thank you for your thorough review! It is very insightful!
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      • #18
        ben530
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 39

        I have one as well.

        Like AFTII said, it is heavy, and not especially balanced. For me at least, it wasn't so bad once I had both hands on it and it was shouldered. Between the weight and the spring loaded butt pad, the recoil was very manageable. I could get back on target very quickly.

        I was unable to cause the vertical misfeed problem on mine. Also like AFTII said, each barrel has it's own POI. I put a red dot on mine and generally it is close enough that I will hit what I'm aiming at. At distance or using slugs, a little correction is all it takes.

        With all that said, I have a good place to take it out and I don't think I've ever had so much fun shooting. My brother, a friend of his and I all went out and put about 500 shots through it it's first time out and not one problem with it.

        It's mostly a toy for me, although the bullpup design would make it easier to wield indoors in a home defense situation. I would absolutely buy it again.
        Last edited by ben530; 05-28-2016, 11:34 AM.

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        • #19
          HardwoodRods
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1093

          Yes it's heavy and I like my Saiga 12, but it is fun to shoot, not my first choice for defense but if it's what I have handy it will definitely do. No issues with mis-feeds either
          "A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790

          "Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington Green

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          • #20
            smak28
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2013
            • 4120

            Originally posted by ben530
            I have one as well.

            Like AFTII said, it is heavy, and not especially balanced. For me at least, it wasn't so bad once I had both hands on it and it was shouldered. Between the weight and the spring loaded butt pad, the recoil was very manageable. I could get back on target very quickly.

            I was unable to cause the vertical misfeed problem on mine. Also like AFTII said, each barrel has it's own POI. I put a red dot on mine and generally it is close enough that I will hit what I'm aiming at. At distance or using slugs, a little correction is all it takes.

            With all that said, I have a good place to take it out and I don't think I've ever had so much fun shooting. My brother, a friend of his and I all went out and put about 500 shots through it it's first time out and not one problem with it.

            It's mostly a toy for me, although the bullpup design would make it easier to wield indoors in a home defense situation. I would absolutely buy it again.
            Hmm...you guys may have just convinced me to get one. I did want to buy the UTAS & KSG when they came out but passed on them due to bad reviews. Thank you for your input!
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            • #21
              scfrogmansc
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 615

              I have one , I have fired around 400 rd of bulk bird shot , 100 rd of 3 inch buck shots , and about 75 slugs ... I love this gun. It's heavy but it soaks up a lot of the recoil get one you would be happy . I even got mine cerakote in sniper grey
              When zombies come alive... I am ready are you?

              AR-15, AK-47, M24(rem 700), dual 357s, 1911, rem 870 swat, and 17HMR. round count 20k+

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              • #22
                scfrogmansc
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 615

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                When zombies come alive... I am ready are you?

                AR-15, AK-47, M24(rem 700), dual 357s, 1911, rem 870 swat, and 17HMR. round count 20k+

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                • #23
                  smak28
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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                  • Jan 2013
                  • 4120

                  Originally posted by scfrogmansc
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                  Very nice! I've always been worried about these new firearms that are gimmicky but was very surprised to hear this is made of metal, which I do prefer. Finally a higher capacity shotgun that's reliable and solidly built. Thanks!
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                  • #24
                    hermosabeach
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 19114

                    I would be curious to see how people with one do at the end of a 4 -5 day shotgun class....

                    I think that formal training and a pump is the best route for most....

                    The possible of an ND with this with an uneven loading of the tubes seems like a deal killer to me....




                    I have seen a lot of whiz bang ninja goodies on shotguns in classes.... Some run very well... some if not most are novelties.... The people with the ninja gear just don't seem to do well or better than the folks with the $300 mossberg....
                    Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                    Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                    Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                    Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                    (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                    • #25
                      smak28
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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                      • Jan 2013
                      • 4120

                      Originally posted by hermosabeach
                      I would be curious to see how people with one do at the end of a 4 -5 day shotgun class....

                      I think that formal training and a pump is the best route for most....

                      The possible of an ND with this with an uneven loading of the tubes seems like a deal killer to me....




                      I have seen a lot of whiz bang ninja goodies on shotguns in classes.... Some run very well... some if not most are novelties.... The people with the ninja gear just don't seem to do well or better than the folks with the $300 mossberg....
                      Yeah, this shotgun isn't ideal at all for a self defense class and is more of a novelty and a fun to have shotgun.
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                      • #26
                        claylakers
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2807

                        Originally posted by smak28
                        Very nice! I've always been worried about these new firearms that are gimmicky but was very surprised to hear this is made of metal, which I do prefer. Finally a higher capacity shotgun that's reliable and solidly built. Thanks!
                        I would also suggest a SRM 1216. Certainly like mine
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                        • #27
                          smak28
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                          • Jan 2013
                          • 4120

                          Originally posted by claylakers
                          I would also suggest a SRM 1216. Certainly like mine
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                          Never seen this. I'll take a look. I'm guessing it functions flawlessly?
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                          • #28
                            claylakers
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 2807

                            ^ I haven't put many shells through it yet honestly, but I've read that for those few that don't run well out of the box, that after a thousand shells or so it'll work itself out.

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                            • #29
                              scfrogmansc
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 615

                              I do believe a 1216 needs a bullet button in California
                              When zombies come alive... I am ready are you?

                              AR-15, AK-47, M24(rem 700), dual 357s, 1911, rem 870 swat, and 17HMR. round count 20k+

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                              • #30
                                static2126
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 5619

                                I have a pair of Gen 2 KSG. They run great (at least 1.5k through each)

                                I have shot a DP12. Heavy but extremly low recoil and fun to shoot.

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