The Black Aces FIREARM

[Carcassonne]

I am not sure what section to post this. It fires shogun shells, but is not a shotgun or a short barreled shotgun. It is a firearm according to the ATF.

http://www.blackacestactical.com/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/04/black-aces-tactical-shotgun/

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[Librarian]

California will call it a short-barreled shotgun - there was an earlier thread about it.

Don't confuse BATF assessments and CA law.

[Quiet]

Under Federal laws...
It's a Title 1 Other.

Under CA laws...
It's both a "handgun" and a "SBS".
Firearm without a shoulder stock and a less than 16" barrel length = handgun [PC 16530(a)]
Firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a less than 18" barrel length = SBS [PC 17180(a)]

Because it is considered a handgun and it is not listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, it can only be transferred via exemption (LEO sale, etc.)

Since CA considers it a SBS, the exempt person trying to obtain it also needs a valid CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBS.



Penal Code 16530
(a) As used in this part, the terms "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," and "revolver" apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(b) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," or "revolver" from also being found to be a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun.

Penal Code 17180
As used in this part, "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:
(a) A firearm that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(b) A firearm that has an overall length of less than 26 inches and that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(c) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

[stilly]

Damn you all for trying to keep us out of trouble by setting it straight with the laws and all! >

What kind of website forum do you think this is?


Oh and thanks for the link. Figures. ****ing Commiefornia asshats need to get TOSSED out on their heads.

Okay Imma stop now. BUT the good news is that at least they have OTHER cool shotguns that ARE legal to purchase here.