over under shotgun differences?

[JagerDog]

My personal bet has been placed on Beretta 682's I have a Gold X-trap and a Gold Sporting.

Browning Crossover Target might be a good choice.

Both platforms have a proven track record to stand up to 100's of 1000's of rounds.

RE: the $1K'ish O/U. Stick to a used B gun or maybe an SKB.

[Too Swole]

Maybe check out a Verona 692. I've seen used ones between 950-1100.

[soulfresh]

I'll play -

Can someone tell be the differences in O/U action designs; what about the pros and cons of Greener (DT-10) versus monoblocs (CG, 686), the K32, etc.?

What about removable trigger groups, rebuilds, fitting new/additonal barrels?

this was my question as well. someone have any knowledge/experience with this?

[JagerDog]

I'll play -

Can someone tell be the differences in O/U action designs; what about the pros and cons of Greener (DT-10) versus monoblocs (CG, 686), the K32, etc.?

What about removable trigger groups, rebuilds, fitting new/additonal barrels?

The DT-10 is also a monobloc. I think it has a Greener crossbolt. Up the ladder are sidelocks vs. boxlocks.

Removable triggers are expensive. I suppose if you shoot matches and a trigger could cost you a big prize, it could be nice to have $1K spare trigger in your box. If you're not on the run, the regular triggers aren't rocket science to repair and infrequently need repair.

[Jordon@PacificSporting]

I'll play -

Can someone tell be the differences in O/U action designs; what about the pros and cons of Greener (DT-10) versus monoblocs (CG, 686), the K32, etc.?

What about removable trigger groups, rebuilds, fitting new/additonal barrels?

You're actually speaking about two different things, "monobloc" does not refer to the style of action but rather how the barrels are mated together. A monobloc is a separate chunk of metal that the barrel tubes are fitted into. Most modern shotguns use monoblocs.

There are literally dozens of different ways to make an O/U and all have their advantages and disadvantages. You have to keep in mind that what you spend on a shotgun is largely dependent on the amount of labor involved in building said shotgun. Beretta 686 O/Us are built on a production line in large volume to a price point. A Perazzi on the other hand, without any engraving or fancy wood still has over 40 man hours of labor into it. Perazzi patterns every barrel that leaves the factory, hand-fits the barrels to the action, hand polishes all of the bearing surfaces etc. Perazzi also manufactures their barrels very differently than Beretta and this also contributes to the price. There is certainly a tangible difference between a $2000 and $10,000.00 shotgun but you by no means have to spend that much money to start and learn this sport. That is an investment you have to decide you want to make, it is a good one that will give you many years of joy but you can shoot well with a $2000.00 shotgun, my ultimate recommendation is that you invest in something of decent quality and that honestly starts around $2000.00 in a new over under gun.

[JagerDog]

You're actually speaking about two different things, "monobloc" does not refer to the style of action but rather how the barrels are mated together. A monobloc is a separate chunk of metal that the barrel tubes are fitted into. Most modern shotguns use monoblocs.

There are literally dozens of different ways to make an O/U and all have their advantages and disadvantages. You have to keep in mind that what you spend on a shotgun is largely dependent on the amount of labor involved in building said shotgun. Beretta 686 O/Us are built on a production line in large volume to a price point. A Perazzi on the other hand, without any engraving or fancy wood still has over 40 man hours of labor into it. Perazzi patterns every barrel that leaves the factory, hand-fits the barrels to the action, hand polishes all of the bearing surfaces etc. Perazzi also manufactures their barrels very differently than Beretta and this also contributes to the price. There is certainly a tangible difference between a $2000 and $10,000.00 shotgun but you by no means have to spend that much money to start and learn this sport. That is an investment you have to decide you want to make, it is a good one that will give you many years of joy but you can shoot well with a $2000.00 shotgun, my ultimate recommendation is that you invest in something of decent quality and that honestly starts around $2000.00 in a new over under gun.

All the above. Don't want to pimp another site, but shotgunworld has a lot more target/bird guys than here. Some perusal/questions there and a visit to place like Pacific Sporting Arms (you don't list a location) will help you narrow things down.

With the advise in the above quote, you don't need to think about rebuilds for many 1000's of rounds. Some guns are designed to be more "rebuildable" than others for the folks who do shoot that kind of volume. Most the Italian guns and the German guns aren't too hard to add barrel sets. The Browning design isn't friendly to that though.

[NiteQwill]

I say it all depends on fit. There is a point where spending a lot of $$$ can result in an excellent fitting shotgun. But does it shoot better than a cheaper one? Probably not.

I settled with a Citori White Lightening with Mueller chokes. Several thousand shells later, it's still going.

[RedFord150]

...Visit Pacific Sporting Arms in Azusa ....

I am a customer of PSA, not an employee. I bought a Beretta O/U from John at PSA and have been very happy.

...There are literally dozens of different ways to make an O/U ... my ultimate recommendation is that you invest in something of decent quality and that honestly starts around $2000.00 in a new over under gun.

Thank you for joining us. Your opinions and your advice are most welcome.

...a visit to place like Pacific Sporting Arms (you don't list a location) ....

I listed the location as Azusa. Below is the website with the address;

http://www.pacificsportingarms.com/

If you lose this link, you can Google PACIFIC SPORTING ARMS and you will have the location within seconds.

[JagerDog]

I am a customer of PSA, not an employee. I bought a Beretta O/U from John at PSA and have been very happy.



Thank you for joining us. Your opinions and your advice are most welcome.



I listed the location as Azusa. Below is the website with the address;

http://www.pacificsportingarms.com/

If you lose this link, you can Google PACIFIC SPORTING ARMS and you will have the location within seconds.

I meant OP didn't list a location.

[soulfresh]

I say it all depends on fit. There is a point where spending a lot of $$$ can result in an excellent fitting shotgun. But does it shoot better than a cheaper one? Probably not.

I settled with a Citori White Lightening with Mueller chokes. Several thousand shells later, it's still going.

yeah i realize fit is subjective, the questions i was asking were what are the technical differences in a 2k vs 4k o/u and if people think it is warranted.

[soulfresh]

I meant OP didn't list a location.

norcal, so the store is not really an option. ive done some research and have an idea where i may try/buy them, but in terms of peoples knowledge of the inter workings between a beretta vs cg for example which i was debating between.

[ysr_racer]

my ultimate recommendation is that you invest in something of decent quality and that honestly starts around $2000.00 in a new over under gun.

I would agree.

[JagerDog]

norcal, so the store is not really an option. ive done some research and have an idea where i may try/buy them, but in terms of peoples knowledge of the inter workings between a beretta vs cg for example which i was debating between.

The CG and Berettas are very similar mechanically/reliability. CG tends to put a bit more fit/finish/wood and up the price accordingly. Not dissimilar to a dolled up (high grade) Beretta. Beretta's "entry level" genuine target guns (682 and I gather the new 692) are the workhorse line vs. say the 686 with added target features.

[RedFord150]

norcal, so the store is not really an option. ....

Shotguns are a funny thing. The spec sheet does not tell you how it feels. Only putting it to your shoulder will do that. How it feels is often more important than the technical details.

Before you spend a lot of $ on a guess, visit your local skeet range and talk to the guys in the Pro Shop. Let them point you in a good direction. After you settle on one, see if you can rent the same model and take a lesson from a good instructor. Not a class, but a 1 on 1 lesson.

30 minutes on the skeet or trap range with a good instructor may help you pick the right gun the first time. The lesson is very cheap compared to the gun. Once you shoot it, you will know.

Good luck.