Good semi-auto shotgun

[NYT]

[nitroxdiver]

I went with a Mesa Urbino stock on mine for the shorter length of pull, and it helps with 922r compliance if you go longer mag tube.. Great stock. I also swapped over the factory rubber grip to the Urbino stock as I like the benelli grip better than the Mesa. Great sg. You'll love it.


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[GW]

I am fond of my CZ712 Utility. Very light recoil, points in beautifully and has a lively feel.
I prefer it over my SLP, 935 or 1100. I have older Benelli's and they are great riot guns, but that CZ really resonates with me

[Webologist]

^ I have a M4 and I've shot my cousin's 930 several times. They're not even in the same ballpark. Will both "get the job done"? Yes. Will one get the job done infinitely better? Yes. M4 cycles smoother and has much less recoil. The norm is you can find plenty of discussion re: 930 failures. They ONLY thing people b1tch about the M4 is the price.

I've only taken one shotgun class, but the only semi-auto with a stoppage of any kind, with an instructor assisted multi-minute clearance time was an M4.

[CandG]

I've only taken one shotgun class, but the only semi-auto with a stoppage of any kind, with an instructor assisted multi-minute clearance time was an M4.

No gun has a flawless history of every one ever made having zero issues. This leaves us with selecting the ones that have the best history of quality and the least history of problems. Most would agree the M4 fits that bill. Even most military servicemen that have used them have high praise.

Did the guy at the range's m4 jam because it's not a good design for a shotgun? Or because they're not well-made? You're 100% sure that it had nothing to do with any outside factors? Maybe he had a defective one, but I doubt it. And even if it was, as mentioned above, there's a 10 year repair-or-replace warranty.

Guns are like cars; some are unarguably better than others, but there never has been nor ever will be a perfect car that has never had a problem, and that everyone agrees is the best car ever. First of all, there are different types of cars for different purposes, and secondly, everyone has some built-in biases (ie, I'll probably never like Hyundais even if they made exactly what I was looking for). Now that you've seen one M4 get a jam during a class one time, you'll have a lifelong bias against those, and there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind.

[jrpowell3]

The only issue I've had with my M4 was when I was running any load lighter than 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz. Buck shot, slugs, and target loads (>1 1/8), 2 3/4" or 3", my M4 indiscriminately chews up as fast as I can pull the trigger.

[Webologist]

No gun has a flawless history of every one ever made having zero issues. This leaves us with selecting the ones that have the best history of quality and the least history of problems. Most would agree the M4 fits that bill. Even most military servicemen that have used them have high praise.

Did the guy at the range's m4 jam because it's not a good design for a shotgun? Or because they're not well-made? You're 100% sure that it had nothing to do with any outside factors? Maybe he had a defective one, but I doubt it. And even if it was, as mentioned above, there's a 10 year repair-or-replace warranty.

Guns are like cars; some are unarguably better than others, but there never has been nor ever will be a perfect car that has never had a problem, and that everyone agrees is the best car ever. First of all, there are different types of cars for different purposes, and secondly, everyone has some built-in biases (ie, I'll probably never like Hyundais even if they made exactly what I was looking for). Now that you've seen one M4 get a jam during a class one time, you'll have a lifelong bias against those, and there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind.

Not at all, just pointing out that infallible doesn't exist. M4s are finnicky on ammo selection. Running full power slugs or buckshot they were designed for negates that. Comparing failure rates of guns that shoot a regular diet of birdshot is a bit disingenuous as well. The two M4s in my class were the only guns that didn't use birdshot for most of the class. The issue was encountered during the slug drill, so there was likely an operator component.

The M4 is by all accounts a solid platform, when used as intended. I have no bias against it whatsoever.

[NickMc]

I came in to join the recommendations for the Benelli M4...
then I realized the OP only wants a "good" shotgun, not the best.

[CandG]

I came in to join the recommendations for the Benelli M4...
then I realized the OP only wants a "good" shotgun, not the best.

Hahaha, awesome comment

And Webologist, point taken, I jumped the gun assuming you were just a hater based on witnessing a malfunction. I do agree with you that the M4 can be a little finicky with low-brass loads, mine has a FTE about every 10th round with #8 practice/bird-shot 2 3/4" shells. That's sort of an intentional part of the design though, it's meant to be able to fire light (less-than-lethal) loads and be cycled manually, and clearing the FTE has never required anything more than racking the charging handle. Have never had a malfunction of any sort with any other shell types though, if that guy had a jam while shooting slugs it was almost certainly either caused by operator error, poor maintenance, or a seriously under/over-powdered shell.

[Thefeeder]

Hahaha, awesome comment

And Webologist, point taken, I jumped the gun assuming you were just a hater based on witnessing a malfunction. I do agree with you that the M4 can be a little finicky with low-brass loads, mine has a FTE about every 10th round with #8 practice/bird-shot 2 3/4" shells. That's sort of an intentional part of the design though, it's meant to be able to fire light (less-than-lethal) loads and be cycled manually, and clearing the FTE has never required anything more than racking the charging handle. Have never had a malfunction of any sort with any other shell types though, if that guy had a jam while shooting slugs it was almost certainly either caused by operator error, poor maintenance, or a seriously under/over-powdered shell.

Some #8 practice/bird-shot 2 3/4" shells are just as hot as Low recoil Buck , some are even hotter. Plenty of "bird shot" loads that equal full house Buck and Slug. Get to know the ins and outs of shells and your FTE's will disappear.

[CandG]

Some #8 practice/bird-shot 2 3/4" shells are just as hot as Low recoil Buck , some are even hotter. Plenty of "bird shot" loads that equal full house Buck and Slug. Get to know the ins and outs of shells and your FTE's will disappear.

Yep, but those loads cost about the same (or more) as a case of Estate 00-buck, so these days the 00-buck is usually what I use for my practice loads. The issues I had were specifically with Winchester and Federal #8 2.75" shells. If there's a higher-power #8 load that costs less than $79.99 for a case, I'd be happy to hear about it.

[CK_32]

Ignore.

[Thefeeder]

Yep, but those loads cost about the same (or more) as a case of Estate 00-buck, so these days the 00-buck is usually what I use for my practice loads. The issues I had were specifically with Winchester and Federal #8 2.75" shells. If there's a higher-power #8 load that costs less than $79.99 for a case, I'd be happy to hear about it.

Winchester 89.00-94.00 per case ....20.00 rebate (limit 100.00)....5.00 shipping reguardless of amount

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Shotgun-Ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104567580/Winchesterreg-AA-Shotshells-150-Per-Case/731068.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshotgun-ammunition%2F_%2FN-1100191%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104567580

[CandG]

Winchester 89.00-94.00 per case ....20.00 rebate (limit 100.00)....5.00 shipping reguardless of amount
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot..._SEQ_104567580

Haven't tried the AA's, will order up a case and see what happens. Thanks

[Legasat]

I can only tell you that I have had a Winchester SX3 for about 3 years, mostly for skeet & doves. Never had a failure or stoppage of any kind. Spent less than half of what the M4 costs. Just sayin.....