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  • #16
    Sumo99
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 781

    If you want a pistol grip on your shot gun, then I would go with the 870. The Mossberg's safety can be difficult to manipulate with a pistol grip.

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    • #17
      JDay
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Nov 2008
      • 19393

      Originally posted by Sumo99
      If you want a pistol grip on your shot gun, then I would go with the 870. The Mossberg's safety can be difficult to manipulate with a pistol grip.
      For home defense I would flip the safety off when I grab the shotgun, shouldn't have any accidents with proper trigger control anyway.
      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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      • #18
        Two Shots
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 2022

        Originally posted by JDay
        Bird shot wont stop a determined intruder. I've read news articles in the past about people getting shot point blank with bird shot being on their feet when the police arrived.
        When you say bird shot are you refering to low base #8/7.5 birdshot for dove or HiBase #2/4/BB birdshot for ducks, Hi-base #2/4/BB birdshot would work well within a room/door way/hallway, I'd recomend #4 Buck w/27 pellets for HD.
        Check this site for penetration of various shot size on gelatin it will give you more perspective on shot and slugs.
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        • #19
          jlh95811
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2833

          Benelli Nova all the way. It will chamber and shoot 3.5" shells which are super effective for HD. Also it has standard rifle sights so it makes for a fun and easy shooting gun. I use mine for clays too
          "people shouldnt be bumping sold stuff. but it is hard to herd cats." - rkt88edmo

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          • #20
            ohsmily
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2005
            • 8994

            Originally posted by jlh95811
            Benelli Nova all the way. It will chamber and shoot 3.5" shells which are super effective for HD. Also it has standard rifle sights so it makes for a fun and easy shooting gun. I use mine for clays too
            Not all models of the Nova accommodate 3.5" shells. In fact, only a select few do. All the Super Nova models accept 3.5" shells.

            However, you shouldn't be using 3.5" shells for HD. The increased power and recoil are a disadvantage in a HD scenario. Even reduced recoil 12 gauge slugs and buck shot are more than sufficient.
            Last edited by ohsmily; 11-10-2008, 1:02 PM.
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            • #21
              BigKevLA
              Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 297

              870 is the way to go.
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              • #22
                ZombieKiller
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 2555

                590A1.......Tough, reliable and tough. Get it in the 18" version for home defense.
                "The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory...."

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                • #23
                  M. Sage
                  Moderator Emeritus
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 19759

                  Originally posted by JDay
                  Yes, you have to think about what going to happen if they travel through the body and a wall, remember you are responsible for what comes out of that barrel.
                  +1. 3" magnums are for extended range, not for more stopping power or damage at close range.

                  Originally posted by stphnman20
                  For HD? Hell yeah I think.. Bird shot is ok but Buck shots are the way to go for HD!!
                  Bird shot is a lot less than Ok. It can't create an incapacitating wound reliably. Buckshot can.

                  Stick with buckshot, save the birdshot for birds and doors.
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                  • #24
                    boukca
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 1438

                    I was in the exact same boat as the OP and bough a brand new Remington 870 with extented mag tube at Wild Sports in Sac for $350.

                    I was looking at getting a used Police 870, but this fit the bill and I wanted the old checkering vs. Rem's new design. I plan on adding a SureFire mounted light this week.

                    Here is a picture-

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                    • #25
                      JDay
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19393

                      Originally posted by Two Shots
                      #2/4/BB birdshot would work well within a room/door way/hallway,
                      Doesn't penetrate 12 inches, wont pass FBI standards. You should read this and then go over those ballistics again and you'll see why birdshot is useless for defense. You have to remember that unlike gelatin the human body will have clothes and bones in the way. FBI Ballistic Test Protocol
                      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                      • #26
                        forgiven
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2008
                        • 5214

                        I tested #8 low base birdshot out of my Mossberg 500 the other day at 7 yards. It cut the target (human target waste up) in half with 3 shots. I realize its just paper, but the groups were awesome. I switched to bird shot some years back when I realized my sons were in direct fire from my bedroom. I guess it's all a trade off, but I'm sold on bird shot for my small home.

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                        • #27
                          rtlltj
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 780

                          Is this the remington 870 I would want for HD at Big 5? I noticed this one doesn't say 870 in the add like the other "870 express" Big 5 sells. From the picture it does look exactly like the one Bouka posted a picture of.

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