CMR-30

[_Andrew]

Does anyone see why this wouldn't be available in California? Anyone have one yet?

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/cmr-30/rifle/

[asphaltcowboychip]

The mags are 30 rounders. Seems like a pretty sweet little gun. Idk how well the mags work.

[_Andrew]

The mags are 30 rounders. Seems like a pretty sweet little gun. Idk how well the mags work.

Hopefully Kel Tec will have a CA version with ten round magazines. There are not a lot of offerings in .22 WMR and this looks like a very fun rifle. I know they made a 10-22 in .22 WMR, but I've never seen one in the stores.

[Quiet]

Does anyone see why this wouldn't be available in California? Anyone have one yet?

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/cmr-30/rifle/

Overall length with the stock collapsed is 22.7", which makes it a SBR under CA SBR laws.

Overall length with the stock collapsed needs to be 26" or greater, in order to be CA legal.
This can be done by either fixing the collapsible stock in the open/extended position or by attaching a 4" or greater length muzzle device.

Summary:
In order to be CA legal...
1. The overall length needs to be increased to 26" or greater.
2. Need 10 round magazines

[_Andrew]

Overall length with the stock collapsed is 22.7", which makes it a SBR under CA SBR laws.

Overall length with the stock collapsed needs to be 26" or greater, in order to be CA legal.
This can be done by either fixing the collapsible stock in the open/extended position or by attaching a 4" or greater length muzzle device.

Summary:
In order to be CA legal...
1. The overall length needs to be increased to 26" or greater.
2. Need 10 round magazines

Hmmm, so a muzzle brake and a recoil pad might make up the difference in length. Would a muzzle brake need to be fixed? (IE pinned in place)

[Merc1138]

Hmmm, so a muzzle brake and a recoil pad might make up the difference in length. Would a muzzle brake need to be fixed? (IE pinned in place)

CA's OAL doesn't require things to be permanently fixed in place. If the barrel were shorter than 16", you'd need to pin a muzzle device to meet the federal minimum barrel length requirement.

The thing to consider with using something like a muzzle device for OAL, is that it doesn't just "fall off". Rocksett, or even enough torque so it can't simply spin the thing off by hand would be enough to prevent it from just "falling off" in the insanely unlikely scenario of "bad DOJ agent turns the muzzle device loose when no one is looking so you get popped for an SBR". It's also why using a bayonet for OAL is a bad idea, since those too can just come off with a twist or a push of a button.

Personally, I'd want to see whether or not the stock can be pinned to not collapse beyond the minimum OAL. You'd maintain the minimum length while collapsed, and not increase the length beyond the 30.6" with the stock extended. You'd simply be preventing the stock from collapsing the full 7.9", allowing it to only collapse 4.6".

edit: And of course there's still the magazines to deal with.

[_Andrew]

CA's OAL doesn't require things to be permanently fixed in place. If the barrel were shorter than 16", you'd need to pin a muzzle device to meet the federal minimum barrel length requirement.

The thing to consider with using something like a muzzle device for OAL, is that it doesn't just "fall off". Rocksett, or even enough torque so it can't simply spin the thing off by hand would be enough to prevent it from just "falling off" in the insanely unlikely scenario of "bad DOJ agent turns the muzzle device loose when no one is looking so you get popped for an SBR". It's also why using a bayonet for OAL is a bad idea, since those too can just come off with a twist or a push of a button.

Personally, I'd want to see whether or not the stock can be pinned to not collapse beyond the minimum OAL. You'd maintain the minimum length while collapsed, and not increase the length beyond the 30.6" with the stock extended.

Since the only time I would collapse the stock would be to fit it into a smaller case, That sounds like the better way to go.

[Merc1138]

Since the only time I would collapse the stock would be to fit it into a smaller case, That sounds like the better way to go.

Yeah, it's definitely better than adding a bunch of useless weight to it. Of course whether that's possible, no idea. I'd think the bars for the stock would be metal, if they are simply drilling through them, inserting a pin, and welding the ends in place should be a fairly sturdy way of doing it without adding anything that'll snag on crap. Might even be possible to add an extra notch for the detent or whatever mechanism the stock uses to stay in place, so it'll stay put at it's new collapsed position.

[Quiet]

Yeah, it's definitely better than adding a bunch of useless weight to it. Of course whether that's possible, no idea. I'd think the bars for the stock would be metal, if they are simply drilling through them, inserting a pin, and welding the ends in place should be a fairly sturdy way of doing it without adding anything that'll snag on crap. Might even be possible to add an extra notch for the detent or whatever mechanism the stock uses to stay in place, so it'll stay put at it's new collapsed position.

Not sure if they have changed it, but the early production Kel-Tec CMR-30 only had two detents on the collapsible stock, which only allowed the stock to stay in place when fully extended or when fully closed.

[Merc1138]

Not sure if they have changed it, but the early production Kel-Tec CMR-30 only had two detents on the collapsible stock, which only allowed the stock to stay in place when fully extended or when fully closed.

Right, but how hard is it really to add a detent hole? It's just a guess on my part, but I'd have to assume the detents themselves are in the receiver(since putting them on the bars themselves would be pointless and more difficult than necessary).

[Quiet]

Right, but how hard is it really to add a detent hole? It's just a guess on my part, but I'd have to assume the detents themselves are in the receiver(since putting them on the bars themselves would be pointless and more difficult than necessary).

The detents were on the bars of the collapsible stock.
Similar to what H&K does (MP5, SMG2, MP7, etc) on their collapsible stocks.

[Merc1138]

The detents were on the bars of the collapsible stock.
Similar to what H&K does (MP5, SMG2, MP7, etc) on their collapsible stocks.

You mean the actual spring and pin part? Lame. I could have sworn the mp5 detent was on the left side of the stock where it fits against the receiver and simply had a notch on the inside of the left side bar.

edit: Wait, are you sure about that? Check this out http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-MP...s-83p16659.htm


You can see the notch cut into the bar for that mp5 stock.

[Quiet]

wait now i'm confused.

[Merc1138]

wait now i'm confused.

Maybe there's another kind of mp5 stock?

[_Andrew]

It wouldn't be idea, but you could always add a block to the inside of the stock rails which prevented it from fully closing.