Ammo shortage explanations - math?

[Dinosaur Jr]

While the math is not exact, it gives you a general idea of one of the reasons there is a shortage. Not enough ammo produced to meet demand. Demand however is artificially increased due to flippers and hoarders.

What I don't understand is why some billionaire(US or overseas) doesn't capitalize on this extreme demand for .22 lr and start a .22 lr ammo company with a huge factory to crank out massive amounts of the stuff.

I completely agree: demand is high and production can't meet demand.

However, how long will the existence of flippers, hoarders, and preppers in the market have to last before the significant demand they represent is no longer considered an "artificial spike"? I think we are approaching that point if we have not already passed it. I believe those market segments will persist, although their overall influence on prices and availability will ebb and flow with supply and political climate.

I also consider that because all ammunition has become more expensive, more shooters are either beginning, renewing, or increasing interest in .22 due to relative costs. Hence, the "More Bang For Your Buck" Theory on high demand for rimfire ammunition.

[Mr. Beretta]

[AR22]

There is no "shortage" All you want at 80.00 a brick or bulk pack. Just go on Gunbroker and other places and you will find plenty for sale. All you want to buy.

There is right now and has been no less than 17 pages of 22 ammo on just Gunbroker daily for atleast 2 years..That does not in any way add up to shortage of supply in my book. That is only one venue. Millions of more for sale all over at Gun Shows and other online forums.

Please stop claiming there is a "shortage" Never has been. Just a lack of low priced .22 ammo. It has always been there. Just at prices you did not like, and venues you may not prefer to buy from..

Just because it is harder to find it for a low price does not translate to a so called "shortage" of it.

The well did not run dry all the sudden. I was able to find ammo at normal prices since the beginning of this whole mess, it was a task, but all was bought at normal prices. It has always been there. Maybe not as easy to find or as frequent but there nonetheless.

I just bought three 550 Federal Packs at Walmart yesterday. Could of had 4 but my brother kept one. I bought one, my wife bought one. Brother and his wife each bought one. I kept one of the two my brother and his wife bought. Bought some 50 round boxes of Federal last week.

23.97 a box. Pretty much the same price as it was 2 years ago. I believe the prices of ammo will actually drop sooner than later as supply becomes flooded.. They had 40 boxes and all 22,000 rounds were gone by 10:00AM. They put ammo out at 9:00 AM. Went fast.

I never paid more than Walmart prices for .22 ammo. And I have alot of it. Just have to be diligent and put in the effort to find it at normal prices..

Another good thing is my Walmart shelves are literally overflowing with centerfire in all Calibers. Good supplies of .22 come in around once a week, but you need to be there. It is getting alot better.

I am amazed they can continue to sell you 550 rounds of .22 ammo and pay transport to the store on top of that for a paltry 23.97..

[mshill]

I agree with AR22. There's .22 out there, just not at the normal places, or at the same frequencies. I have been able to buy at retail prices for the last 12 months. And given the BS our state legislators are doing I will continue to purchase it whenever I see it at Walmart prices. As a matter of fact I bought over 2k rounds in March alone.

[Jimmybacon43]

As far as "hoarding" goes.

I think it makes sense to possess as much ammo as you want, it makes sense to stock up and have a stable supply of ammo so you don't need to buy more all the time.

What I dislike is when people "panic buy" and maybe that's a better expression than hoarding. They didn't buy enough when it was cheap and available, now that it's less common and it's more expensive, they buy as much as they can, usually without regard for price. So a panic buyer is the guy who goes into the gun store and buys as much ammo as he can carry (or they will allow him to buy) and by doing that perpetuates the shortage and the panic.

[Mr. Beretta]

"I just bought three 550 Federal Packs at Walmart yesterday. Could of had 4 but my brother kept one. I bought one, my wife bought one. Brother and his wife each bought one. I kept one of the two my brother and his wife bought. Bought some 50 round boxes of Federal last week.



You're a pretty lucky gunner.

This is the way it works at my local Walmart.

One maybe two times a week, the store will get 10 to 20 Federal bricks in. Somehow the "word" of the pending delivery gets out, but only to the same core group of of buyers every week.

The buyers start lining up (at noon) or should I say sitting down, in a line in front of the cash register in the sporting goods department. By sitting down I mean, several of these buyers stop by the camping aisle and grab a lawn chair and bring it with them to sit in the line.

More & more of the same core group arrives and pretty soon by 2 pm, the line is 10 + deep.

The guy who works the sporting goods department announces how much 22LR ammo is coming in & that the ammo might be available for sale around 4:15 pm or as late as 6:00 pm. It all depends where in the trailer, the ammo was placed.

If you're not in the first 5 people in line, you probably aren't going to get any 22LR ammo. These same core people are there each & every time the word gets out.

I was shopping last week and did my usual walk by the ammo case about 3:30 pm. I saw approximately 15 people in line (some in the camping chairs). They were having a great time. Hell, apparently somebody even went to the nearby Costco & came back with hot dogs and sodas for many in line. It was a regular party.

So in my neighborhood, you can you still get a brick for $23, but only if you're part of the "in" crowd and are willing to wait hours in line.


I call that a shortage!

[k1dude]

IMHO, there's a lot of hoarding going on and for good reason.

Gun owners realize we are squarely in the crosshairs of the dems and the dems are in charge for the foreseeable future. It appears Hillary is a lock. That will likely mean 16 straight years of democratic majority rule. The 2nd Amendment probably won't survive. Hell, the Constitution may not survive. Especially in CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, DC, and CT. Those also happen to be the most populated states. So the race is on for every gun owner to buy a lifetime's worth of ammo for every single shooter in the household before the inevitable bans occur.

.22 LR is the cheapest stuff out there, so it's no surprise it's the hardest to find.

[HOGDOG1955]

one of our walmarts got one case of remington golden bulletts in 225 round boxes and the other walmart here got 2 cases, i got 3 boxes at the store with 2 cases as by then it had came out at the other store and the first guys in line then came to the store i was at.so i think 4 guys got six boxes and 8 or 9 of us got 3 boxes. mine all went to 2 other folks at no profit and i know 2 of the other folks were buyin for others also. our last 22 delivery was last saturday which i missed but it had a lot. our local gun shop meanwhile has had 50 round boxes of 22 for 2 weeks now.not crazy prices but of course they are higher than walmart. i am an evil hoarder but im now buyin for others that cant go stand in line early.i had a guy get all pissy with me 2 days ago at walmart and he said i should not be goin and waiting on ammo that we all need to be able to walk in any time aND BUY 22. its just a bad deal right now and everyone isnt gonna be happy. i pretty much have decided though that if this 22 calms down to where we can buy 500 rounds for 30 bucks in large amounts that i may well buy another 50 thousand rounds and when the next 22 shortage comes i will sell at a decent profit but who knows.

[AR22]

HogDog, how much were those 225 Rems? I have a buddy that wants some of my ammo, but I told him he can either have the rem 225s or some of my Winchester 555s. I told him cannot have any of my Federal or CCI

Anyway forgot the price to sell it to him for..Thanks

[HOGDOG1955]

ar22 they were $11.17 plus tax per box yesterday at walmart

[AR22]

Thanks I will use that price then...

[bssybeep]

I won't pay more than .05-.06 cents a rd

[bssybeep]

IMHO, there's a lot of hoarding going on and for good reason.

Gun owners realize we are squarely in the crosshairs of the dems and the dems are in charge for the foreseeable future. It appears Hillary is a lock. That will likely mean 16 straight years of democratic majority rule. The 2nd Amendment probably won't survive. Hell, the Constitution may not survive. Especially in CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, DC, and CT. Those also happen to be the most populated states. So the race is on for every gun owner to buy a lifetime's worth of ammo for every single shooter in the household before the inevitable bans occur.

.22 LR is the cheapest stuff out there, so it's no surprise it's the hardest to find.

Where did you get "Hillary is a lock"? No one in their right mind would vote that b*tch into office

[AR22]

Problem is over half this Country is not in its right mind. Did you forget the last election already? What happened there..

This Country is stupid enough to elect her. I guarantee it..

I would not say she is a lock. But she can elected one way or another..

[stephewc]

I fear that the longer this continues on, the more we have shown manufacturers that people are willing to pay $40-50/brick for bulk 22LR. That'll probably become the new price to keep in line with the market.