1400 FPS Pellet Gun vs 22 Rifle

[Izzy43]

With good quality pellets and well tuned quality pellet guns, you can get just as much accuracy with pellet guns as with .22LR out to 100 yards, especially if you are using .22 or .25 pellets. The energy is less, but the accuracy is there. If you want energy in the same ballpark, you need to step up to .30 or .357 pellets.

The ballistics are different, but inconsequential out to 50 yards or more. After that, there is more divergence, but it's manageable out to 100 yards or so.

But you are right, firearms and pellet guns are different beasts.

You are correct but the OP was comparing a Big 5, 1400FPS Pellet rifle (undoubtedly a springer) to a .22lr firearm and asked "what was he missing?". I doubt that a springer air rifle will perform with a .22lr rifle out to 50 or 100yds. I attempted to answer that and not start a debate on upper end, tuned pellet rifles and .22lr rifles.

[xrMike]

These PCP guns are great practice for LR shooting on the cheap - like this 10" plate at 1100 yards

Wait, wait, wait, hold on a sec... My mind is blown and I can't think straight...

Are you seriously saying that your air rifle can hit a 10-inch plate at 1100 yards??? What is the weight of those pellets?

Also, what is "PCP"?

Thanks.

[Eat Dirt]

Some interesting 'Food for Thought ' Here

I've been thinking about getting a Good air gun for a while

Time to go to Big -5 !!!!!

[ZirconJohn]

No doubt y'all seen this before... so nothing new... but... here it is...

Compared to your standard and custom .22 air rifles... this is over the top... enjoy...

[diver160651]

Wait, wait, wait, hold on a sec... My mind is blown and I can't think straight...

Are you seriously saying that your air rifle can hit a 10-inch plate at 1100 yards??? What is the weight of those pellets?

Also, what is "PCP"?

Thanks.

Pre-Charged Pneumatic-- LOL.. What I w as saying is that these guns are great practice for LR and ELR shooting. That group was from a 308, my 7mag or other super high BC gun can do better.. But the practice helps me when I ring my 7mag out past a mile


Jt

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[hermosabeach]

A few things, most standard 22 LR is much faster than 1,000 fps

Many of the cheaper springer guns take a significant sprin set.

The 1,000- 1,100 fps models settle in at 700-750 fps after 200 shots.

Springers are difficult to shoot accuracy due to the vibration of the spring.
They are quieter than a normal pump or PCP gun without baffles.

Take a look at edguns aka teds holdover channel on u tube. He shoots and reviews all sorts of pellet guns.


Specs on Blazer 22

Technical Information
Caliber: 22 Long Rifle
Bullet Weight: 40 Grains
Bullet Style: Lead Round Nose
Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1235 fps
Velocity Rating: High Velocity
Muzzle Energy: 135 ft. lbs.

Side note on math-
Penetration is partially determined by momentum
Momentum is Mass x Velocity

Kintec Energy is 1/2 Mass x Velocity squared.

So a fast muzzle energy is negated by a very low momentum.

A light pellet going fast will slow quickly and shed energy as it slows. As velocity slows the KE is reduced by the square of the drop.
Think throwing a hammer vs throwing a feather.

[hermosabeach]

http://youtu.be/g3qHC7bzi-w

One of his reviews on a cheaper pellet gun

[acourvil]

You are correct but the OP was comparing a Big 5, 1400FPS Pellet rifle (undoubtedly a springer) to a .22lr firearm and asked "what was he missing?". I doubt that a springer air rifle will perform with a .22lr rifle out to 50 or 100yds. I attempted to answer that and not start a debate on upper end, tuned pellet rifles and .22lr rifles.

Well, you are now adding the assumption that it is a springer (which is more finicky to shoot). Actually, if it is claiming 1400fps it is probably not a springer, but neither one of us actually knows what pellet gun it is.

In any event, I was responding to your more general statement which implied assumptions about pellet guns that I don't think are correct. Pellet guns can shoot at the same level of accuracy as .22LR firearms. Depending on exactly what you are comparing, either one could be more accurate. Most pellets guns will have less power, but that is not universally true.

[diver160651]

Some interesting 'Food for Thought ' Here

I've been thinking about getting a Good air gun for a while

Time to go to Big -5 !!!!!

Try Pyramid Air before you go to Big 5 if you want something accurate, call them for advice in your price range. I have bought and given away a bunch of nitro gas guns (like springers, but with a gas piston)... They can be really inaccurate and quite loud. Also, many springers/nitro gas recoil in a funny back and forth motion that moves scopes.


Jt

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[19K]

you can diesel your pellets with a drop of motor oil. it gets those pellets moving fast.

[diver160651]

I started with a Gamo Silent Cat in .177. I could not get it to shoot straight. Loose hold is the key, but also artillery hold, back and forth movement of the spring.

Yep on both for me too. But these types of holds did nothing but make my ELR worse. When shooting a mile plus, consistency is key. The holds that work better for the Gamos (I still have a 22 bone collector, but don't use it) aren't the same as used by most of us shooting off bipods (slight load). With your/our PCPs, we can use the same hold, making them very valuable for training.

BTW just missed my first Ravin at 60 yards + 31degree angle hit the pole under it. Should have used 2 mil instead of using the the wrong cosign. It should have been .857 for the angle. I entered it wrong... Blaaaa




Jt

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[Nshaver127]

those super high velocity pellet guns arent very accurate. I had a Big cat shooting 1200fps and at the supersonic speed the pellet is so light it get washed out when it breaks the sound barrier

[Ninask]

Depending on the pellet gun, they can do a lot more damage than a .22lr. Of course I've never seen much in the way of decent air guns at big 5, but elsewhere you can get much larger calibers at some pretty decent velocity(people these days successfully go hunting with them, and I don't mean squirrels). Modern pellet guns, even if they aren't some big bore pcp, are not toys.

Excuse me but bull
Typical .177/22 cal pellet guns are no toys but do not match the 22 lr
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[Merc1138]

Excuse me but bull
Typical .177/22 cal pellet guns are no toys but do not match the 22 lr
N

Did I say a typical .177 or .22 caliber pellet gun matched .22lr?

You're excused, but next time try actually reading the post you're replying to instead of skimming over it and frothing at the mouth over a couple of key words you identified while ignoring the context.

[SoCal Gunner]

I have to admit I had no idea what a PCP air gun was or the capabilities. I am totally blown away after reading up on them.

Here is one article on what PCPs are and how they work for others that didn't know: http://www.straightshooters.com/what...ir-rifles.html

PS - Thanks a lot - now I'll probably have to get one!