10/22 Takedown stock legality

[echopapa]

Just did a very quick measurement on mine estimating from pictures of the stock; it looks like it falls short of CA standards. Grrrrrrr

Booo - that stinks! How short was it? Thanks for checking...

[Chaos47]

NOT MY PHOTO



Looks like from the back of the folding part of the stock to the start of the barrel is apx 9 inches.

The TD comes in 2 factory barrel lengths:
16.62"
18.50"

So it looks like the 16.62" would just be slightly too short at 25.62"
But it has a threaded barrel, I am not sure if Ruger is measuring the length of the muzzle device. It might be possible to add a longer muzzle device to bring it up to length.

The 18.50" would be slightly over the 26" OAL with 27.5".

Again these are just guesses using a photo and some stats off a website..

[gorn5150]

That stock also has optional butt pads. One is 1/2 inch the other is 1 inch. That should take care of the under length problem.

[thatsteveguy]

That stock also has optional butt pads. One is 1/2 inch the other is 1 inch. That should take care of the under length problem.

I don't see how that helps if CA measures from the minimum fold length not the max overall length.

[jdben92883]

My Sig522 has the factory folding stock unpinned...not an issue for a rimfire.

[bullitt08]

Where can I find CA laws for rimfires. I searched on google and I cant seem to find it.

[Chaos47]

Law tells you want you can not do.
Not what you can do.

Thru many posts in this thread you have been told the law.
When it comes to rifles rimfire is not listed in the CA AWB.
Therefore evil features do not apply to them nor does the 30"OAL.
So you will not find any part of the CA AWB that tells you about rimfire rifles and what they can or can not have.

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also
means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length
of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

Note when it comes to pistols its says semiautomatic pistol and therefore includes rimfires.

[Kelster1574]

I will measure mine with the AGP folded. Pretty sure when I measured it back when I installed it I was good....FYI I have the standard barrel length not the shorter threaded version

[daniph]

I purchased this one from impact guns:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown 22LR Threaded Barrel and Flash Hider, 10 Rnd Mag

and the AGP ARMS stock

AGP Folding Stock For Ruger 10/22 Takedown

folded it measures ~26.5 for me. There was another post somewhere asking about this as well and I pmed the OP about it. If you'd like to cross reference the info.

I will agree with someone else's post regarding the original iron sights are more difficult to use with this stock. I believe AGP does offer a solution to that as well if you want iron sights.

[thatsteveguy]

Just a couple of questions; I know that when a barrel that is under 16" it has to have a "pinned" flash hider etc on it to bring it to legal length; so:
1. How long is your barrel without the flash hider?
2. Does CA require a pinned flash hider if the barrel length by itself (without the flash hider) allows the overall min length to fall under 26" when the stock is folded?

I purchased this one from impact guns:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown 22LR Threaded Barrel and Flash Hider, 10 Rnd Mag

and the AGP ARMS stock

AGP Folding Stock For Ruger 10/22 Takedown

folded it measures ~26.5 for me. There was another post somewhere asking about this as well and I pmed the OP about it. If you'd like to cross reference the info.

I will agree with someone else's post regarding the original iron sights are more difficult to use with this stock. I believe AGP does offer a solution to that as well if you want iron sights.

[Kestryll]

AGP now makes a folding stock specifically for the TD. Link:

http://www.agparms.com/agp-folding-s...0-22-takedown/

I ordered a blem of this, damned if I can tell you what the blem is, and put it no my takedown.

Folded it measures just over 27 inches from muzzle to furthest rearward point.
The length of pull is shorter than the factory stock and it does not lock in when folded. It does fit unfolded in the large compartment in the bag.

It's different, I'm not sure if I like it or if I'm gong back to the factory stock.

[daniph]

I believe Ruger only makes the barrel at 16" and 18". Anything shorter would most likely be an after market barrel or custom work on the original barrel.

1. My barrel measures 16" without the flash hider
2. I don't believe that I need to pin the barrel as the barrel by itself is 16",
I've only read pinning of barrels if the barrel itself was under 16" (e.g. 14.5" pinned to a comp/flash hider making it meet the 16" requirement).

After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.



I hope that picture helps to make it clear... It all fits into the Ruger bag that comes with it.

Just a couple of questions; I know that when a barrel that is under 16" it has to have a "pinned" flash hider etc on it to bring it to legal length; so:
1. How long is your barrel without the flash hider?
2. Does CA require a pinned flash hider if the barrel length by itself (without the flash hider) allows the overall min length to fall under 26" when the stock is folded?

[thatsteveguy]

After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.

I guess then the 64 thousand dollar question is; does CA require a pinned flash hider when the minimum over all length is less than 26" without it.

[bullitt08]

I believe Ruger only makes the barrel at 16" and 18". Anything shorter would most likely be an after market barrel or custom work on the original barrel.

1. My barrel measures 16" without the flash hider
2. I don't believe that I need to pin the barrel as the barrel by itself is 16",
I've only read pinning of barrels if the barrel itself was under 16" (e.g. 14.5" pinned to a comp/flash hider making it meet the 16" requirement).

After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.



I hope that picture helps to make it clear... It all fits into the Ruger bag that comes with it.

I am guessing you have that BX-25 modded to only hold 10 rounds. How did you block it to make it only hold 10 rounds?

[thatsteveguy]

I sent an email to AGP about this question for us Californian's. Here is a screen shot of the email and reply.