AR-22 question

[Hughes500Pilot]

I did exactly what your looking for. I have a mil-spec lower that is marked "Cal 22LR" on it. I wanted a dedicated 22LR lower I could mount my Tactical Solutions 22LR upper to. By doing this, I was able to have a "normal" magazine eject button (legally) on the 22LR rifle.

I also went one step further. Instead of having the standard push pins that mount the upper to the lower, I put a KNS screw-in type front pin. Now the rifle "requires the use of a tool" in order to separate the upper and lower from one another. But, I can still flip the rifle open for cleaning by using the rear push pin. Is this necessary, no. But, just in case something ever happens, I want to be able to say my rifle could not be swapped out for a .223 upper in a matter of seconds with no tools required...

Back to the 22LR marked lower. I looked and looked, but could not find anyone willing to sell a 22LR marked lower. And I specifically did not one marked "multi" since that in and of itself implies it can take other calibers like 223. So, I had to make my own lower...

I used a Tactical Machining pre-anodized 80% lower and had it laser marked by Ident Marking services. They do excellent work by the way! Lastly, I milled the 80% lower and installed a DPMS lower parts kit.

-Steve

[pennys dad]

The idea of 80% has crossed my mind, my issue there is me, taking the lower from 80% to 100% is not something i have delved into yet.

I did exactly what your looking for. I have a mil-spec lower that is marked "Cal 22LR" on it. I wanted a dedicated 22LR lower I could mount my Tactical Solutions 22LR upper to. By doing this, I was able to have a "normal" magazine eject button (legally) on the 22LR rifle.

I also went one step further. Instead of having the standard push pins that mount the upper to the lower, I put a KNS screw-in type front pin. Now the rifle "requires the use of a tool" in order to separate the upper and lower from one another. But, I can still flip the rifle open for cleaning by using the rear push pin. Is this necessary, no. But, just in case something ever happens, I want to be able to say my rifle could not be swapped out for a .223 upper in a matter of seconds with no tools required...

Back to the 22LR marked lower. I looked and looked, but could not find anyone willing to sell a 22LR marked lower. And I specifically did not one marked "multi" since that in and of itself implies it can take other calibers like 223. So, I had to make my own lower...

I used a Tactical Machining pre-anodized 80% lower and had it laser marked by Ident Marking services. They do excellent work by the way! Lastly, I milled the 80% lower and installed a DPMS lower parts kit.

-Steve

[solosup]

I put one of these in mine. Makes it easier to show clear when at the range and does not allow a non 22lr upper to function.

https://www.arcatch22.com

[bplvr]

like this ? Spikes ST-22 W/ a dedicated ST22 upper ?

{this is my wife's little money pit}

[pennys dad]

That is a seriously nice rifle

[SDM44]

The idea of 80% has crossed my mind, my issue there is me, taking the lower from 80% to 100% is not something i have delved into yet.

I've built quite a few 80% lowers because it's fun, and I like saying 'screw you' to the man .

In reality, once you drill out everything and it's a working 100% lower, you can laser etch on any logos or writings on the receiver. If you want to make it "legit" without having to 'register' it, then just put all of the necessary markings on it.... a name, city/state where the lower was made, caliber size, and a s/n unique to you. A lower receiver you purchase from the store won't be registered, so neither will your 80%-100% lower have to be. If you want to sell it, then yes you'll need to 'register' it but that's a different story. With all of the markings you put on there, including a .22LR caliber stamp, it will look like any other lower receiver out there.

[NorCalDustin]

Hmm... now that is interesting. I pulled my spring and buffer from the tube and set it aside, running the thing with nothing in there. And ran it for 300 rounds without any issues at all. The bolt springs back nice and hard (when clean) all on its own. Maybe this is needed for conversion kits but not the dedicated 22lr uppers?

In many cases the TACCOM can help to improve reliability... The normal buffer/spring alone will do little in my experience.

[flipsyde]

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/TACC...essureplug.htm

Just put that in front of your buffer and it's supposed to stiffen it up. I have one and I use it, no issues.

Interesting... What material is the plug made made of? The description from the site did not mention it.

[the707kid]

I have a marked .22 lower so when I pull the upper off I have not just made a "assault rifle". I asked a couple of friends that are ADA's in my county that handle most of the firearms cases and they are gun guys and they both said I should be ok since it is marked for rimfire. They both told me that might not stop a local LEO from arresting me due to their lack of understanding of state gun laws. As a side note they said it is scary how many cops don't understand the AW laws.

[NorCalDustin]

Interesting... What material is the plug made made of? The description from the site did not mention it.

It seems to be some kind of plastic or polymer.... (I own one)

I have a marked .22 lower so when I pull the upper off I have not just made a "assault rifle". I asked a couple of friends that are ADA's in my county that handle most of the firearms cases and they are gun guys and they both said I should be ok since it is marked for rimfire. They both told me that might not stop a local LEO from arresting me due to their lack of understanding of state gun laws. As a side note they said it is scary how many cops don't understand the AW laws.

That's a non-issue because with no upper on the lower it cannot be fired. I'd suggest talking to and paying a competent firearms lawyer (I recommend Jason Davis) and getting advice from people who's job it is to keep you out of jail.

Remember, if it was an issue then every lower sold would HAVE TO have a BB sold with it because by your logic and that of your ADA friends... A lower with no upper would be an AW. That is not the case, and it is not the case that you need a lower marked .22LR.

If your worried about LEO's being uninformed, then keep the AW flow cart with you... If they're dumb enough to arrest you, call the CGF and I'm sure they'll have fun helping you get the charges dropped and later seek damages for wrongful arrest plus ensure that LEO's are properly trained (IIRC this has happened a couple times in the last couple years).

[BlackMark]

I agree with the707kid. I set mine up with a Spike's ST-22 lower and a Spike's upper. I put in the Catch-22 as well, so there is no way it can be construed to be anything but a .22lr even with the upper removed.

[joelukehart]

I put an ACE folder on my AR22.

[the707kid]

It seems to be some kind of plastic or polymer.... (I own one)


That's a non-issue because with no upper on the lower it cannot be fired. I'd suggest talking to and paying a competent firearms lawyer (I recommend Jason Davis) and getting advice from people who's job it is to keep you out of jail.

Remember, if it was an issue then every lower sold would HAVE TO have a BB sold with it because by your logic and that of your ADA friends... A lower with no upper would be an AW. That is not the case, and it is not the case that you need a lower marked .22LR.

If your worried about LEO's being uninformed, then keep the AW flow cart with you... If they're dumb enough to arrest you, call the CGF and I'm sure they'll have fun helping you get the charges dropped and later seek damages for wrongful arrest plus ensure that LEO's are properly trained (IIRC this has happened a couple times in the last couple years).

[donw]

like this ? Spikes ST-22 W/ a dedicated ST22 upper ?

{this is my wife's little money pit}

dang...that's "Exotic"...nice.

[NorCalDustin]

Am I wrong in thinking that a off list lower with a pistol grip installed could be an assault weapon. ...

They also confirmed what I asked and said that they could prosecute someone for having a offlist AR lower assembled with pistol grip and no bullet button for having an assult rifle. They said it did not need to have an upper on there to be charged All this is moot to me since I have a mag lock on all centerfire rifles and not one on my dedicated AR lower.

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An off list lower with a complete fire control group, pistol grip, and all other parts does not make an "assault weapon" according to California. Check the AW flow chart...


(Using the numbers on the AW Flow chart and applying them to a completed OLL with no upper attached):

1) No the rifle's barrel is not less than 16" long because it has no barrel installed... It also cannot be fired from any of its configurations so this one is a mute point.

2) No it is not registered as an AW.

3) Yes

4) No because we're talking about OLL's

5) No. (again, an OLL)

6) No the rifle is not chambered in rimfire as there is no upper attached... It is also not chambered in centerfire as there is no upper attached.

7) No the rifle is not chambered in .50 BMG, again... No upper attached so it is not chambered in anything.

8) No. The OLL with no upper is NOT a semi-auto rifle... Thus, it is legal... And we are all done.



Remember... Even WITH a pistol grip you could still intend to put a centerfire bolt action upper on the OLL and since it would not be semi auto it would still be legal... OR you could intend to build a "single shot upper" (there are a number of ways to do this).

To say that a complete lower without a bullet button is illegal because it could be an assault weapon is crazy... IF that were the case (and it is not), then anyone who installs a new maglock on their gun would have assembled an illegal assault weapon because at one point during the replacement, the lower would not have had any maglock on it..