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I was considering my 15-22 for HD as well but ill stick with my saiga 7.62 because i dont intend on missing.Pew Pew Pew. -
Hypothetically intruder has bullet proof vest/trauma plate, he intends on harming you not taking from you? Then what..Originally posted by swiftoneMe either, but stuff happens...and 7.62 has been known to go through bad guys...Pew Pew Pew.Comment
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All I can say is that I hope either way you never have to use it.Originally posted by swiftoneHead Shots
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Well here in Irvine to be honest I dont really even worry too much
If hardware has to come out it is loaded with reduced recoil 12 ga 00 buck loads"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
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I'll stick with 4 00buck mixed with 4 slugs....
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Nice piece. Nothing wrong with that for a HD gun, 27 .22s ain't no joke. Not to mention, odds are the average idiot perp you're likely to come across won't be able to tell .22 from .223 by looking down a dark hole. Wouldn't matter if it's a 22 or a 45 if you were the guy on the wrong end of the barrel.Comment
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I have no problems with using a .22 rifle for home defense, just put them where they need to go. More power to you!
If I feel the need to worry about multiple late-night invaders wearing class III trauma plates, I probably should reconsider my lifestyle...Originally posted by ysr_racerPlease don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion
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Four comments of my own opinion:
1) Very nice gun!
2) The L.A. Sheriff's Department made a training video for their deputies several years ago comparing a centerfire 5.56 (.223) 55gr SOFT POINT bullet out of an AR-15, vs. a 147gr HP 9mm out of a Beretta 92 series hand gun. The video shows that the 55gr. soft point bullet DOES NOT penetrate through stucko walls of a traditional house made in SoCal. However, it showed that the 9mm 147 gr bullet over penetrated 100% of the time through drywall and stucko walls of traditional houses.
The test showed that the 55gr SP out of a rifle platform is a completely "safe" round. Perfect for home defense in my opinion. So, don't fall under the false assumption that a .223 centerfire (SOFT POINT) round will go through walls, houses cars, people etc.... It's a myth. FMJ's are another story.
My point is that a .55gr soft point bullet (centerfire .223/5.56) is a perfect round for an urban environment and I would have absolutely no problem deploying that round and gun in my home if need be. In fact, it's safter than a 9mm if one is truely worried about overpenetration. Plus, a .55gr soft point .223/5.56 bullet into a human being is absolutely D-E-V-A-S-T-A-T-I-N-G on soft body tissue. Turns the insides into blood shod pulp! I've personally seen the devastation in person!!!!
3) .22 LR's go through media such as drywall, stucko walls and even car doors like a hot knife through butter.
4) If you're going to use a .22LR for home defense, may I suggest you dump the CCI 32gr "Stingers" for the new CCI 40 gr. Gold Dot HP "Velocitor." That is a better round that expands and penetrates better in soft body tissue, unlike Stingers which break up in as little as 3 inches of soft body penetration. The Velocitors are really at the top of the food chain now for modern .22LR bullets if you're hell bent on using a .22LR for self defense.sigpic
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+100 Not enough people realize this.
2) The L.A. Sheriff's Department made a training video for their deputies several years ago comparing a centerfire 5.56 (.223) 55gr SOFT POINT bullet out of an AR-15, vs. a 147gr HP 9mm out of a Beretta 92 series hand gun. The video shows that the 55gr. soft point bullet DOES NOT penetrate through stucko walls of a traditional house made in SoCal. However, it showed that the 9mm 147 gr bullet over penetrated 100% of the time through drywall and stucko walls of traditional houses.
The test showed that the 55gr SP out of a rifle platform is a completely "safe" round. Perfect for home defense in my opinion. So, don't fall under the false assumption that a .223 centerfire (SOFT POINT) round will go through walls, houses cars, people etc.... It's a myth. FMJ's are another story.
My point is that a .55gr soft point bullet (centerfire .223/5.56) is a perfect round for an urban environment and I would have absolutely no problem deploying that round and gun in my home if need be. In fact, it's safter than a 9mm if one is truely worried about overpenetration. Plus, a .55gr soft point .223/5.56 bullet into a human being is absolutely D-E-V-A-S-T-A-T-I-N-G on soft body tissue. Turns the insides into blood shod pulp! I've personally seen the devastation in person!!!!Mo' BBs.Comment
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.22 should be perfect for this issue.Originally posted by swiftoneYea, I worry more about stray cats peeing on my car tires
Plus, imho a bullet is a bullet and a gun is a gun. I would like to assume most burglars arent superman and any bullet would harm them. Yes, severity of damage may be different between calibers but, if i got hit with a .22 id be getting the hell out of there. Not to mention that most burglars arent expecting an ar15 aimed at their face.
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your choice and everyone else's choice is equally great for HD. in my opinion, your best HD weapon is what is readily available at the time. i don't know if you live in a two story home or single, but if your one HD gun is up stairs and you are down stairs during an attack, your best HD weapon might be your kitchen knife or a golf club. unless you constantly carry loaded on your property at all times.
so i'd say get proficient with everything you've got.
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