done

[ZX-10R]

My 45 or WASR wants to end crime not give him room to sue...To each his own.

[bsg]

congratulations.

[billybob_jcv]

You might want to consider this:
Aguila 22 Long Rifle Sniper Sub-Sonic ammo.
This ammo has a 60 gr. Solid Point Lead Bullet. It travels at 950 FPS, and exhibits 120 ft-lb of energy upon impact. This ammo was especially designed for weapons with silencers and match grade barrels. This ammo is the heaviest .22 LR available on the market today and can be fired in any .22LR that is in good condition. Tests done by the manufacturer and other agencies show that this ammo will penetrate approximately 24 inches of ballistic gelatin at 200 meters. This ammo is an excellent round for .22 conversion units.

Will those rounds reliably cycle the bolt in a semiauto rifle?

[yelohamr]

Work great in my Sig Mosquito and 10/22 with a 1:9 barrel.

[Izzy43]

Aguila 22 Long Rifle Sniper Sub-Sonic ammo.

Yelohamr said it all. Its bigger than the standard 5.56/.223 round and as quite and gentle as you can get. Easy on you, little tiny kick (if you can call it that), and a big bullet.

Only thing that he didn't add was buy it in bulk. Friend of mine gave me a box to play with and thats what I did. Stuff seems to drop like a rock, so you really need to dedicate the weapon to it, or have an interchangeable sight system. Anything with a rail that you can swap a basic red dot would do the trick. In your case, a mount for the carry handle would work great. Iron sights for the range, red dot for the house.

Just my two cents. Hope it helps.

I need some education on your choice of sights inside the house. I assume that a bad guy would most likely intrude during night time. My home is darker than the inside of a cow after 9 pm and I'm not sure that a red dot is better than the iron sights on my pistol for that situation. I live in the mountains, isolated, no street lights with only starlight most of the year. My wife's HD weapon is a S&W 22A loaded with Aquila Intercepters but I think I've been convinced to switch to the Aguila .22lr Super Sub-Sonic 60 gr ammo as most confrontations will be inside of 15 ft and maybe get off 5 rounds if lucky.

Additional info on the sight choice would be appreciated. Thanks and apologies for the hijack.

[yelohamr]

Inside the house, I wouldn't use sights. The bullet will hit what the flashlight beam is lighting up. (The light is mounted under the barrel)

[TrailerparkTrash]

You might want to consider this:
Aguila 22 Long Rifle Sniper Sub-Sonic ammo.
This ammo has a 60 gr. Solid Point Lead Bullet. It travels at 950 FPS, and exhibits 120 ft-lb of energy upon impact. This ammo was especially designed for weapons with silencers and match grade barrels. This ammo is the heaviest .22 LR available on the market today and can be fired in any .22LR that is in good condition. Tests done by the manufacturer and other agencies show that this ammo will penetrate approximately 24 inches of ballistic gelatin at 200 meters. This ammo is an excellent round for .22 conversion units.

I normally dont give an opinion about ammo choices, but in this case I will. I repectfully disagree with using the Aguila 60gr for a defense round. Simply because its a heavy and tiny (.22 cal) bullet that can OVER PENETRATE a human. That is not a good thing, especially when using that bullet within the confines of a home. A .22 rimfire is marginal already as a quick incapacitating defensive round. N since the Aguila is justa round nose bullet, the propensity of punching right through a bad guys torso is greatly inIcreased.

You even indicated that the bullet penetrates 24" @ 200 yds. Thats not good inside someone's home, especially if you have little ones in adjoining bedrooms. Plus, since its a .22LR solid bullet, those are notorious for stopping bad guys. Ut only after a huge amount of rounds have been fired (due to a lack of a well placed shot). Thats not a good idea inside one's home to have to fire an exorbant amount of bullets when a better choice of bullet could have been choosen to begin with. (Stricktly staying on topic about .22's for home defense. Obviously a bigger bullet/caliber would be a better choice, but thats another topic.)

My suggestion to the OP is the 40gr gold dot HP by CCI, called Othe "Velocitor.". It expands to about .40 caliber and penetrates on average 13" in ballistic gel. Thats a far more effective round going into a bad guy for two simple reasons:

1). Expanding and not over penetrating is safer for innocents in adjoining rooms. The bullet would more than likely have a propensity of getting trapped within the suspect.

2). A bullet staying inside a torso without exiting, keeps all of the bullet's energy (hydrostatic shock) "dumped" into the bad guy's body cavity. With a .22LR, every little advantage gained in bullet performance helps.

[RuckerSMO]

Izzy43, I use a BSA basic red dot. Nothing fancy, does work good. Need to get a quick release mount for it.

billybob_jcv, I have used them in my 10/22s and have had no issues.

[Izzy43]

Lots of good/interesting info. Lets hope none of us ever have to put it to use in a home defense situation, but best to be prepared.

[donw]

boy...lots of "Food for thought" in this thread about the subject of the .22 lr as a SD/HD round.

some of my thoughts:

having been on both ends of small arms, both military and civilian applications, i have to say...looking down the bore of ANY firearm IS INTIMIDATING...period. (IF one can see the bore, that is)...

very few bad guys employ body armor...

most home invasion that take place involve multiple aggressors...a carbine may very well be the best answer for this scenario; most folks can be more accurate with a carbine than a handgun*

*i have handguns in all calibers...but i prefer rifles and carbines even in 'SD/HD' scenarios because I'm MORE ACCURATE with rifles and carbines.

ANYONE who 'invades' should be considered as armed and dangerous...

have you ever 'popped a cap' inside of a small room inside of a house? noise! flash!...unless you take time to put on earmuffs and and dark glasses, you and anyone with open eyes will be deaf and blind momentarily...

"Penetration tests" have shown any results you care to find...

to "Stop" a bad guy is not necessarily to kill; but "Stopping" him MAY kill him...

the 5.56/.223 is a wonderful, small bore, SHORT range cartridge...but not the only one...

a person can be astonishingly accurate doing rapid fire with a .22 lr carbine at close range...

practice/training with .22 lr is no where as expensive as 5.56/.223...training and practice can lead to surviving...

any caliber is OK for SD/HD...just learn how to use your choice and train/practice CORRECTLY...

[Izzy43]

boy...lots of "Food for thought" in this thread about the subject of the .22 lr as a SD/HD round.

some of my thoughts:

having been on both ends of small arms, both military and civilian applications, i have to say...looking down the bore of ANY firearm IS INTIMIDATING...period. (IF one can see the bore, that is)...

very few bad guys employ body armor...

most home invasion that take place involve multiple aggressors...a carbine may very well be the best answer for this scenario; most folks can be more accurate with a carbine than a handgun*

*i have handguns in all calibers...but i prefer rifles and carbines even in 'SD/HD' scenarios because I'm MORE ACCURATE with rifles and carbines.

ANYONE who 'invades' should be considered as armed and dangerous...

have you ever 'popped a cap' inside of a small room inside of a house? noise! flash!...unless you take time to put on earmuffs and and dark glasses, you and anyone with open eyes will be deaf and blind momentarily...

"Penetration tests" have shown any results you care to find...

to "Stop" a bad guy is not necessarily to kill; but "Stopping" him MAY kill him...

the 5.56/.223 is a wonderful, small bore, SHORT range cartridge...but not the only one...

a person can be astonishingly accurate doing rapid fire with a .22 lr carbine at close range...

practice/training with .22 lr is no where as expensive as 5.56/.223...training and practice can lead to surviving...

any caliber is OK for SD/HD...just learn how to use your choice and train/practice CORRECTLY...

Very well said, especially the "practice correctly". Better to hit a bad guy with a rock than miss him with a cannon. As far as choice of weapon, I believe you are right about looking at the barrel of a firearm, most bad guys will turn tail and get outa Dodge. No sane person wants to be shot with any firearm.

[FashionBiff]

I'll stick with 4 00buck mixed with 4 slugs...

Might want to check, you never want to mix rounds with a HD gun. The fact they would consider the 00 being a less deadly round then the slug. Yea I know its stupid and 00 is pretty freaking deadly but thats not how some government suit in court will portray it and try and get you for pre mediated murder.

[steelholder]

I'll stick with 4 00buck mixed with 4 slugs...

This is exactly my setup

[Bobby Ricigliano]

There will be 1000 different opinions here, but the best HD choice is what the user is most comfortable and familiar with to deploy in a crisis.

I would not want to be on the business end of 27 projectiles and I am sure the OP's choice will serve him well if needed.