Appleseed .22lr rifle

[Raptor3000]

Guys, one more quick question.

I am picking up my Marlin 795 next sunday, so can i go straight to the range and shoot it or have to clean it before i shoot it?

thanks

[AK4me]

I used a Ruger 10/22 with Tech Sights and a sling to get my Rifleman patch.

[send it_hit]

Guys, one more quick question.

I am picking up my Marlin 795 next sunday, so can i go straight to the range and shoot it or have to clean it before i shoot it?

thanks

You should be GTG, but you can always run a patch or brush (or both) through it just to be sure. The 795 is a hardy little thing and like most .22's (except super high end and target rifles) don't need a whole lot of TLC. There will always be the few folks who will tell you to clean it after X number of shots etc to "break it in"... but it's a $100 gun for an appleseed shoot... just have fun!

[Eljay]

It's always a good idea to do a basic field strip and inspection and cleaning and lube pass on a new gun. You don't necessarily have to spend a lot of time on it, but it's better to make sure there's nothing strange going on in there before you shoot it. :-)

re: the 500 yard guy - the fundamentals are the same, and where available the Appleseed folks do known distance shooting at the actual distance. And anyway, it's a 400 yard target (which is maybe an inch on a side). Basically if you can't shoot a 1" group at 25 meters prone I don't know why you would be screwing around at further distances anyway.

[EddieEd]

wow, that's a lot of words.

It's actually not much different at all. hitting a one inch silhouette at 25yd or a 20" silhouette at 500yd still requires mastery of the six steps of firing the shot. the sight adjustments are different, and improper form is exaggerated, but the principles of a 4moa shot are the same. that is the whole point of appleseed, to build a proper foundation in the fundamentals of marksmanship, and to learn how marksmanship set America free from oppression. Not to win some award or certificate.

[cmichini]

I agree with the 10/22 as a good platform. My version was super simple to putgether and works like a charm. I also like the challenge of open sights.

[sevensix2x51]

For appleseed rifleman,you take a modified AQT, and you have to score 210 or better out of 250 possible.

If you didnt clean your military test, you still have more to learn. Honestly, it is worth going just to hear the story of April 19, 1775.

If you really want to know what it's all about, hop down into the Appleseed section right here on Calguns, and ask all the questions you want. This thread is about .22's to use, not the validity of the program.

[Raptor3000]

I held both Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 795 at Big 5 yesterday. 10/22 felt nice in the hand because of wood stock, but they are of same size and Ruger will be almost double the cost of Marlin.

[Eljay]

I held both Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 795 at Big 5 yesterday. 10/22 felt nice in the hand because of wood stock, but they are of same size and Ruger will be almost double the cost of Marlin.

I believe the plastic stocked 10/22s are cheaper.

Personally I like the wood stock, and a 10/22 with a wood stock and tech sights has a pretty similar feel to, say, a M1 Garand - not identical, of course, but a great way to learn quite a bit at tenth the cost of .30-06 ammo.

As noted above part of why people like the 10/22s are the aftermarket parts - after the Appleseed if you get the urge you can turn it into a AR-looking rifle, or you can start putting on match grade parts and head more to the precision end of things, or whatever you want, really. But if that holds no interest to you, may as well get the Marlin.

[Eljay]

As I said above, it's 400, not 500 (which is actually further than the current Army test which I believe is 300 meters max).

[ironpete]

Hey All,

Just a couple of notes on this thread since it goes all over.
1) Equipment
Most any good working rifle will do, if you're up to the task. I've seen people hit 210+ with bolts (center and rimfire), scopes, iron sights, tube fed, semi-auto and all combinations thereof.

That said each rifle will have strengths and weaknesses.
Ruger 10/22 - Aftermarket accessories, dry fire capable
Marlin 795 - Inexpensive, sling studs, accurate, bolt hold open.

I personally like the fact that I can dry fire my Rugers. I also like the mag releases on the Rugers better. On the other hand for the price of a 10/22 you can get a fully outfitted 795 (peep sights and sling) with money left over for 1000 rounds of ammo.

2) Simulated distance
If you can't keep it on a quarter at 25 meters you don't have a hope in Hades in keeping it to 4 inches at 100 yards. Even bench rest shooters who can easily shoot a < 1 inch group at 100 yards can't necessarily hit a quarter at 25 meters while changing positions and targets while timed. Practicing fundamentals with a rimfire 22 is much cheaper than practicing with any centerfire...even if you reload.

Appleseed absolutely encourages shooting at distance (400 yards for the AQT and beyond). Unfortunately most ranges in California don't offer or rent full distance facilities for exclusive use. Also realize that it takes some time to keep walking out to 300 yards for a 65 second course of fire. In most cases time would be better spent working on fundamental marksmanship.

If you want to learn fundamentals go to a 25 meter Appleseed. If you want to shoot at distance keep your eyes peeled for Rifleman Boot Camps (RBC) and Known Distance (KD) Appleseeds.

3) Awards
The Rifleman's patch is awarded for:
a) hitting a score of 210 on our scaled AQT (at 25 meters) within the rules.
b) hitting a score of 200 on our full distance AQT (at 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards) within the rules.

The qualification of Known Distance, doing a full distance AQT (100, 200, 300 and 400 yards) is a separate thing.

I am curious as to how they grade people to let them know that they have achieved the 500 goal because it says you can keep coming back until you make it.

You achieve the 500 yard goal when you hit the 500 yard target. As you can see from above we differentiate between having the skills (Rifleman's Patch) and actually doing it (KD)...even amongst instructors. Giving awards for doing a "feel good" job is not our business. In Appleseed there are many patches/awards. The only one you can buy is the Issac Davis oval...the rest (Rifleman, California Rocker, KD, Instructor, Shoot Boss, 1K club, etc) can ONLY be earned.

-Peter

[-hanko]

What Ironpete just wrote...

/thread.

EddieEd, get to the appleseed website and read a bit. Go to the shoot with you mind wide open and forget anything you think you know about shooting...

Swmbo and I did the shoot last fall. She used irons, had no prior training in position shooting, and finished at 170 something after a Sat/Sun shoot...half of which was done in solid rain. I came out at 192, so I need more practice...

Around 25 or so of us shot, seems like the appleseed rifle here is a 10/22. I shot mine bone stock...Modified guns seemed to be stocked with either the Hogue rubber-grippy stock, or the TAPCO pistol grip thing. Most picked Tactical Solutions sights. I saw no solid difference between bull barrel and standard barrel guns, but that's more shooter than rifle. Most had also upgraded to a PC or Volq trigger and/or hammer.

You'll need a good sling, at least 2 mags (4 would be preferable), and I'd suggest a slightly extended mag release. You can go cheap on scopes as it's a rimfire and relatively short range. Bring something to lie on when you shoot from prone.

The price difference between the Marlin and Ruger will be forgotten in a month or so...I'd take the Ruger due to ease of modification (check rimfirecentral.com) as well as easier mag changes.

hth

-hanko

[EddieEd]

Thx guys for info, I was doing a bit more reading, I’m always up for learning what I can. It’s not what I was thinking at first but I think I’ll check it out. My shooting in the military was good but I believe for quals the ranges were something like 200yrds when available or a 25yrd range using appropriate targets, and setup and timed like the Appleseed program but not for distance.
My thing now is I guess I shouldn’t use the centerfire I was thinking about, but as far as a .22 all I got is an AR-7. And although I like it for what it is, for this type of target shooting I don’t think it will do.
That means I might have to pick up another .22. I prefer not to spend too much on a .22 because if the price start getting to high I’ll Just turn around and buy that PX4 Storm I been eyeing for the pass few weeks.
If I can find a good price on a 10/22 I would go with that. Most of the info on-line for stat and price are 2 to 5 years old and a lot can change in 2 years. Local listed gun shop don’t give prices of their gun on-line other then Big-5 when they have a sale so you have to go to the shop which can be a pain, miles away and miles apart.
Wish there was a Turner’s around my area.

[whipkiller]

shooting an elegant

What is an Elegant, and why are you shooting it?

[dtjester]

Point1 -

Are you going to the Appleseed in Corona on Sept. 17-18? If so I will be at that one and will be using a Marlin 795 with Tech Sights, so if you have any issues with magazines or whatever, I have some.