Combat Style .22 LR.

[shadow65]

I guess the complaints I've read are just made up then. The main complaint was when trying to bench the rifle, resting the fore arm, the shots would spread.
So you are saying there is no flex from the polymer upper?

[Boltz]

I guess the complaints I've read are just made up then. The main complaint was when trying to bench the rifle, resting the fore arm, the shots would spread.
So you are saying there is no flex from the polymer upper?

Sounds more like people who can't shoot well? It's always easier to blame the gun than it is the shooter.

[Logan3]

+1 for the Sig522 if you are looking for a complete dedicated .22 rather than building one. Mine has been flawless the 2000+ rounds through it so far.

For me, the 15-22 was too light. (No, that's not a knock on the durability of polymer.) The Sig just felt better. Both Classic and Swat versions are now shipping with sights.

Have fun. I know your son will be very happy with whichever one you choose.

[MaHoTex]

I guess the complaints I've read are just made up then. The main complaint was when trying to bench the rifle, resting the fore arm, the shots would spread.
So you are saying there is no flex from the polymer upper?

No. I am saying that I have never experienced anything which you claim others have posted.

I used to shoot primarily from a bench at 50-75 yards and never have issues with erratic grouping. Now, with the 15-22, I mainly shoot red dot 25-50 yards and note the groupings are not as tight as with the scope as I would expect. I will throw the scope on it again and see if I notice anything funky which I did not pick up on before.

From my experience it has been a very stable and accurate platform capable of quarter size groups at 50-75 yards when shooting from the bench. The rifle is more accurate than I am able to shoot.

[Flogger23m]

If you are in the Bay Area, you can buy my GSG-5 (MP5 style). It is very fun to shoot and works/looks just like the real thing.

The Smith & Wesson feels a bit too plasticy for my tastes, but it is good as well.

I have looked at the SIG 522, and I liked what I saw.

I went with the GSG-5, but now I am out of money and need to sell it .

[scootle]

No. I am saying that I have never experienced anything which you claim others have posted.

I used to shoot primarily from a bench at 50-75 yards and never have issues with erratic grouping. Now, with the 15-22, I mainly shoot red dot 25-50 yards and note the groupings are not as tight as with the scope as I would expect. I will throw the scope on it again and see if I notice anything funky which I did not pick up on before.

From my experience it has been a very stable and accurate platform capable of quarter size groups at 50-75 yards when shooting from the bench. The rifle is more accurate than I am able to shoot.

I'm a pretty newbie shooter and my groups at 25yds the other day while sighting in my RDS on the 15-22 seem pretty reasonable. Sight-in groups of 10x rounds were around 1-2" even with my sloppy technique off a GripPod on the bench.

My best effort on the 5-shot groups fit within a 1" bullseye on the Nov Rimfire challenge target (except for that one shot... argh.)

I'd wager in the majority of cases, it's more shooter technique than fore end flex causing "accuracy" problems. There are many examples around the various forums that demonstrate far tighter groups than mine in the hands of more skilled shooters.

[MaHoTex]

I'd wager in the majority of cases, it's more shooter technique than fore end flex causing "accuracy" problems. There are many examples around the various forums that demonstrate far tighter groups than mine in the hands of more skilled shooters.

I agree 100%.

I am certainly not discounting what the poster said, but I can say with near certainty that I have not experienced flex. This rifle is a solid tack driver and is a lot of fun. I have switched it to my 25 yard red dot fun rifle and the Marlin 795, Marlin 60 and Marlin 89C as the "long range" fun. The 15-22, while plenty accurate, is simply more fun for close up work IMO.

By the way, nice shooting.

[IrishPirate]

if money is no issue and you want a platform that can change as he grows, the just go the route of getting a .22lr upper (spikes, cmmg, etc) and a usual lower. then later on, just get a .223/5.56 upper.

^^this!!!^^

Get a regular AR lower and buy a dedicated .22lr upper. From what i gather it's the most reliable .22lr system for an AR (vs .22lr conversion kits) and you can swap the upper for whatever else he wants to put on it later (.223, 6.5, 9mm, .510DTC, etc....)

I also suggest a GSG-5 because they are awesome....I think you can buy a CA friendly MP5 also (9mm), but i can't remember where i saw that...

[noob_tube]

I would get him a 10/22 with the archangel kit. It will be a fun little project for you, and he will love the appearance of a modern combat rifle. If/when he outgrows it, you can always convert it back into a nice little rifle or turn it into a finely tuned tack driver...

I do hear good things about that Sig 522 if you absolutely must have a .22lr black rifle...

[wsmc27]

I've read reports of accuracy problems with the 15 22 due to the flex of the polymer upper. Makes since since a steel barrel is hanging off of a polymer receiver.
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^^^

I agree that those CMMG options are very nice, however from all we have read, seen and experienced the 15-22 shoots really well and ours has been quite reliable as well. We've owned one since April.

Just happened to play a DVR'd show today, with Jerry Miculek shootin' baloons at 50, 100 and 200 yards with a optic-equipped 15-22, standing unrested. No probs with accuracy at all.

My step-son (this is his first year shooting) has pinged the 8" steels used by MDT at 100 meters easily/repeatedly with irons from prone. He loves that little rifle. It's an awesome "starter" mil style rifle. He also had no probs at all with it at a carbine course a couple months ago, good hits from a wide variety of positions trained as wel as during movement drills. We have occasionaly run a scope on it and shoot 100 and 200yds with it. It's pretty good, the probs are more with weather and the person pulling the trigger then the rifle itself in our experience.

Interesting to see there was even a rimfire carbine course up in San Jose recently... read more about it at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=363680

Well anyway, our $0.02 for the OP is the S&W 15-22 is a fine choice, as are the CMMG rifles.

[ledman]

S&W M&P 15-22. He will enjoy it and once he gets. A .223 ar he will want To still shoot his ..22lr. I have both and love shooting both.

[scootle]

Interesting to see there was even a rimfire carbine course up in San Jose recently... read more about it at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=363680

oh wow... i was wondering if it would be possible to learn to do some carbine work using the 15-22... i guess that's my answer. thanks for linking that!

nothing like learning the basics on the super-cheap .22LR platform.

something to look for in the future.

[IDPA4U]

I love my Spikes dedicated .22AR, the GSG5 is a fun novelty, but my M&P15-22 is the only rifle that comes with me to the range every time, its an amazing firearm. 5000+ rounds without a malfunction, function exactly like a centerfire (so it can be used in carbine training as mentioned above), 1/2 " at 50 yards accurate, and takes milspec parts so he can swap grips/triggers/stocks/sights,rail accessories etc. I also saw a bunch of guys running them at the Ruger Rimfire World Championships and doing incredibly well. I already own way too many rimfires, and I'm still thinking of buying an extra M&P15-22 for safe keeping.

[MrPlink]

15-22 for sure.
I've been a centerfire ak guy for the most part, but 15-22 is winning my heart bit by bit.

Cheap to buy, really easy to modify (using many "real" AR parts) accurate, great trainer for a centerfire AR, very easy to take down and clean and stupid fun to shoot.

[Trevor]

This will train him for someday when he has an AR chambered in a big boy round

You must be talking about an AR-10 or other AR .308 platform...