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  • uxo2
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 4003

    80% 10/22 reciver

    So I have my eye on a 80% 10/22 style reciver and I am kicking around
    the idea of making a pistol.

    The questions are?

    1. Will a CHARGER barrel fit in a 10/22 style reciver
    or do I have to cut a standered 16in barrel
    down?

    also any funny Cali laws that I will have to abide by.

    I would like it to be a semi-auto rimfire that takes standered
    Ruger 10/22 mags.

    Link for reciver


    TIA
    Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
    Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
    One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
    George Patton
  • #2
    Grumpyoldretiredcop
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2008
    • 6437

    You would have to make the magazine non-removable (requiring a tool to release the magazine, a la the "Bullet Button") as it is a pistol with the magazine not housed in the grip frame.

    You would not be permitted to use magazines of greater than 10 rounds' capacity in the weapon within CA.

    If you already own or possess a 10/22 rifle, it would be a very good idea to complete your receiver (some knowledgeable people on this board recommend also voluntarily registering it with CA DOJ) before ordering a barrel to avoid possible Federal constructive possession (of unregistered short-barreled rifle) violations.

    I believe that the Charger and 10/22 barrels are identical other than length, perhaps someone who has a Charger can verify this. You might have a hard time finding a Ruger barrel, but aftermarket barrels are everywhere.

    Looks like it would be a fun project!
    I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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    • #3
      yoteassasin
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 2627

      wow this looks cool who has finished one of these receivers? any interest in partnering up on working on one of these im in the bay area

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      • #4
        uxo2
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 4003

        Anyone eles have more to add especially regarding the pistol part?
        Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
        Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
        One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
        George Patton

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        • #5
          Quiet
          retired Goon
          • Mar 2007
          • 30241

          Grumpyoldretiredcop hit most of the key points.
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          "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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          • #6
            ojisan
            Agent 86
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2008
            • 11762

            Charger barrels will fit right on a 10/22 rifle receiver, but this is a big no-no under Federal and CA law without a Short Barreled Rifle permit.

            Do not use a 10/22 rifle receiver to make a pistol, this is also illegal under Federal law.

            The 80% receivers do require a fair amount of machine work to complete.
            This really needs to be done in a shop with the correct equipment, it is not a garage / hand tools job.

            The drill fixture and drill bits kit at your link looks great...certainly will help to make the job easier and better.

            Bullet Button is required and a 10 round max magazine as mentioned above is correct.

            A BB can be made from sheet metal, use the old style flat magazine catch.

            Here's a pic...also showing single shot mag adapter for conversion of Chargers to a single shot for legal CA importation.
            These are all prototypes...regret I do not have enough demand to justify putting these into production.




            Note that this is a standard Ruger 10 round magazine with a dummy extension on it...it is NOT a "large capacity" magazine.
            Last edited by ojisan; 02-06-2010, 11:57 AM. Reason: add pics and legal stuff

            Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
            I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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            • #7
              uxo2
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4003

              So much for that...It looks like a rifle it will be


              OK....On hold for now as more info comes in
              Last edited by uxo2; 02-06-2010, 8:53 PM.
              Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
              Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
              One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
              George Patton

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              • #8
                scubamark13
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 517

                Wouldn't it be the same rules of an 80% lower AR pistol build? I believe that if you engrave the receiver as a pistol only and have a bullet button you should be good to go. Of course you would need to build it as a single shot first then convert it to semi.

                Correct me if I am wrong

                Mark
                "For between an armed and an unarmed man there is no comparison whatsoever, and it is not reasonable for an armed man to obey an unarmed man willingly."
                Niccolo Machiavellis

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                • #9
                  uxo2
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4003

                  Originally posted by scubamark13
                  Wouldn't it be the same rules of an 80% lower AR pistol build? I believe that if you engrave the receiver as a pistol only and have a bullet button you should be good to go. Of course you would need to build it as a single shot first then convert it to semi.

                  Correct me if I am wrong

                  Mark

                  I seem to of heard of that too.....
                  But was unsure.
                  Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
                  Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
                  One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
                  George Patton

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                  • #10
                    scubamark13
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 517

                    You might want to post in the gunsmithing or other forum to get more responses. I would have no problem building one as a pistol as long as the receiver was engraved and all the other rules were followed. I am sure someone else might chime in and school us. If you decide to do a build let me know. I might be able to help.
                    "For between an armed and an unarmed man there is no comparison whatsoever, and it is not reasonable for an armed man to obey an unarmed man willingly."
                    Niccolo Machiavellis

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                    • #11
                      CSACANNONEER
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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 44093

                      Originally posted by uxo2
                      So much for that...It looks like a rifle it will be


                      Thank you guys
                      Why? since you would be manufacturing a virgin receiver, you could make it a pistol receiver if you wanted to. You'll just have to comply with Ca AW laws.
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                      • #12
                        Grumpyoldretiredcop
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 6437

                        Originally posted by scubamark13
                        Wouldn't it be the same rules of an 80% lower AR pistol build? I believe that if you engrave the receiver as a pistol only and have a bullet button you should be good to go. Of course you would need to build it as a single shot first then convert it to semi.

                        Correct me if I am wrong

                        Mark
                        That's my understanding, except that I don't believe there is any requirement that you engrave the receiver as "pistol only". That being said, I'm doing so on my current AR pistol build so there is no question as to the intended purpose of the completed 80% receiver.
                        I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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                        • #13
                          nat
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 709

                          Originally posted by yoteassasin
                          wow this looks cool who has finished one of these receivers? any interest in partnering up on working on one of these im in the bay area
                          I was actually thinking about it as well. I am in the Bay Area too.

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                          • #14
                            CHS
                            Moderator Emeritus
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 11338

                            No legal need to engrave it "pistol".
                            Please read the Calguns Wiki
                            Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                            --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                            • #15
                              uxo2
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4003

                              Well...Looks like its time to start ordering parts
                              mainly the 80%reciver.

                              Thank you to all who responded..

                              Look foward to pics in future.....
                              Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
                              Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.
                              One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
                              George Patton

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