New P322 from Sig

[Wheellock]

I just got an email from Grab-a-gun, they have them in stock for the low, low price of $600....I feel slimy for just having looked at the email

[Calamity Sue]

I don't believe the P322 CA compliant are out yet. Most of the box stores, BP, C's, SW, have them listed for $399. Sign up for in stock notification. Some places (non CA) have them in stock but they go quickly.

[Fooodworx]

Is it actually illegal? I know all the websites say that its "threaded" with pics of things attached, but from what I can see, the actual factory barrel doesn't have threads. it has some flat areas cut into it where you can fit a separate adapter which is what has the threads, not the barrel itself, so hopefully this means that with mag limiters its CA legal.





from sig's website "With Included Threaded Barrel Adapter". it looks like you can't actually attach any devices to it unless you put on the adapter, the default is pretty flush against the slide, i dont see how you can attach anything without the adapter and i dont think it comes threaded, you have to attach the thing.

hopefully this means it will come to CA at some point but honestly 99% chance it never does.

i guess if you really wanted to you just trick out a TX22 or get a cz75 22lr kit.

[Quiet]

Is it actually illegal? I know all the websites say that its "threaded" with pics of things attached, but from what I can see, the actual factory barrel doesn't have threads. it has some flat areas cut into it where you can fit a separate adapter which is what has the threads, not the barrel itself, so hopefully this means that with mag limiters its CA legal.





from sig's website "With Included Threaded Barrel Adapter". it looks like you can't actually attach any devices to it unless you put on the adapter, the default is pretty flush against the slide, i dont see how you can attach anything without the adapter and i dont think it comes threaded, you have to attach the thing.

hopefully this means it will come to CA at some point but honestly 99% chance it never does.

i guess if you really wanted to you just trick out a TX22 or get a cz75 22lr kit.

It meets CA's definition of a "threaded barrel", which includes barrels with lugs that can be utilized to attach a muzzle device.

From the pics, it is clear that the SIG P322 has a lugged barrel, which meets CA's definition of a "threaded barrel".

[Gun Kraft]

It meets CA's definition of a "threaded barrel", which includes barrels with lugs that can be utilized to attach a muzzle device.

PC 30515(4)(A) only mentions "threaded barrel". No mention of lugs. Where is the definition that includes lugs?

[sigstroker]

Probably someone's opinion, and not statute.

[Quiet]

It meets CA's definition of a "threaded barrel", which includes barrels with lugs that can be utilized to attach a muzzle device.

PC 30515(4)(A) only mentions "threaded barrel". No mention of lugs. Where is the definition that includes lugs?

Probably someone's opinion, and not statute.

Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

Penal Code 30520
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
Application of Definitions.
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471
(rr) “Threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer” means a threaded barrel able to accept a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer, and includes a threaded barrel with any one of those features already mounted on it. Some firearms have “lugs” in lieu of threads on the end of the barrel. These lugs are used to attach some versions of silencers. For purposes of this definition a lugged barrel is the same as a threaded barrel.

[Solanaco]

Thank you Quiet for the info!

[sigstroker]

Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

Penal Code 30520
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
Application of Definitions.
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471
(rr) “Threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer” means a threaded barrel able to accept a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer, and includes a threaded barrel with any one of those features already mounted on it. Some firearms have “lugs” in lieu of threads on the end of the barrel. These lugs are used to attach some versions of silencers. For purposes of this definition a lugged barrel is the same as a threaded barrel.

Okay, it's a regulation someone made up, not law passed by legislature. Any time they don't like something they pull a new regulation out of their *ss. They make it illegal to have something that MIGHT be used to attach something else that's already illegal! As if someone that has an illegal silencer is going to hesitate to get a threaded barrel because the threaded barrel is illegal.

[Fooodworx]

****.

Penal Code 30515Penal Code 30520
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
Application of Definitions.
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471

[Gun Kraft]

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471

Thanks for that reference. Some of the definitions there were new to me.

"Lug" is typically defined as an extension or ear that projects outward from a surface. While the P322's cutout accomplishes the same goal of attaching something to the end of the barrel, it's a cutout (or slot, which is a recess) and not a lug (which is a protrusion). I'm sure if such become popular enough it will be added to that definition.

[pinger]

Disagree. An L-frame .22 is silly big. I had a Model 18. A K-frame is as big as a .22 should get.

The SIG P322 is supposedly about the size of a P365XL, which is smaller than a 320.

The 617 is a K frame.

[Wheellock]

Is it actually illegal? I know all the websites say that its "threaded" with pics of things attached, but from what I can see, the actual factory barrel doesn't have threads. it has some flat areas cut into it where you can fit a separate adapter which is what has the threads, not the barrel itself, so hopefully this means that with mag limiters its CA legal.


from sig's website "With Included Threaded Barrel Adapter". it looks like you can't actually attach any devices to it unless you put on the adapter, the default is pretty flush against the slide, i dont see how you can attach anything without the adapter and i dont think it comes threaded, you have to attach the thing.

hopefully this means it will come to CA at some point but honestly 99% chance it never does.

i guess if you really wanted to you just trick out a TX22 or get a cz75 22lr kit.

That is a thread protector with wrench flats. The threads are under it. The adapter threads onto the small barrel thread, and protrudes past the slide with a 1/2" thread to fit common accessories.

One could have a thread protector made with no flats and have it welded on, or remove the threads off the barrel (if they aren't required to keep the barrel in place). That should remove it from assault weapon status.

[bigbossman]

I have a Smith & Wesson 617, a K22 Masterpiece, and two Ruger single six's. All wonderful revolvers and a joy to shoot. I also have one of those GSG 1911 22's and although inexpensively made it is a lot of fun and has been reliable for me.

[goofcat]

You've never shot a S&W 41.