Is this the same pistol or difference pistol ?

[newbie1234]

Is this the same or difference pistol ? One is CA legal and one is not .
Did Riflegears sell a difference model from Larry ? If I live in free state then which one I should buy to get a better quality ?
Riflegears: Not CA legal

https://www.riflegear.com/p-6213-walther-hammerli-x-esse-long-22lr-pistol.aspx

Larry : CA legal

http://www.larrysguns.com/Products/Hammerli-Xesse-Standard-22lr__Hammerli-spc-Xesse-spc-Standard.aspx

[Quiet]

RifleGear has it listed as the Hammerli X-ESSE Long.

Since it does not exactly match what is listed on the CA DOJ OTP listings and it is not listed on the CA DOJ Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, it can not be legally transferred by a CA FFL dealer to a non-exempt person.

Only the Hammerli XESSE, Hammerli XESSE Sport Comp, & Hammerli XESSE Standard are listed exempt Olympic Target Pistols.

CA DOJ Exempt Olympic Target Pistols = exempt from CA assault weapons laws for handguns and exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.

Walther website lists current production... (none of which match the CA DOJ OTP listings)
Hammerli x-esse sport
Hammerli x-esse IPSC
Hammerli x-esse long
Hammerli x-esse short

[edgerly779]

Must have same sku as ca lagal handgun.

[newbie1234]

Two more stupid questions:

(1) Where can I find the SKU number for CA ? CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt list does not list the sku number ?

(2) If I follow word by word to make the CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt officers in charge happy. The Larry's Hammerly is STANDARD and SPORT COMP. the Hammerli web site list the new gun are: SPORT/IPSC/SHORT/LONG. So where are the Larry gun's come from ? Does Hammerli made a special version for Larry , I don't think so .

(Notes: The CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt officers in charge's salary come from our tax money isn't it? )

[Quiet]

Two more stupid questions:

(1) Where can I find the SKU number for CA ? CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt list does not list the sku number ?

(2) If I follow word by word to make the CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt officers in charge happy. The Larry's Hammerly is STANDARD and SPORT COMP. the Hammerli web site list the new gun are: SPORT/IPSC/SHORT/LONG. So where are the Larry gun's come from ? Does Hammerli made a special version for Larry , I don't think so .

(Notes: The CA DOJ Olympic Pistol Exempt officers in charge's salary come from our tax money isn't it? )

When Walther acquired Hammerli, there were some reorganization.

It is believed that the older Hammerli were discontinued and the current production was renamed.

The renaming was enough to make the current production no longer meet the CA DOJ OTP exemption.

In order to get the current production Hammerli Xesse pistols listed USA Shooting must submit them to CA DOJ to be added to the CA DOJ OTP list.


The out-of-state vendor, Larry's Guns, could still have a stock of the discontinued Hammerli or they are assuming that the current production still meets the OTP exemption even though they've been renamed (which makes them no longer eligible for the exemption).



CA DOJ OTP exempt:
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse Sport Comp
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse Standard

Current production:
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse IPSC
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse Short
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse Sport
(make) Hammerli (model) Xesse Long

[PRanucci]

Hammerli in Caifornia

This thread is so old I can't reply to it!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1475588

Spoke with Hammerli (Walther) last week about the Xesse and asked if they were aware that it isn't sold in California. I explained to the rep that since they had renamed the guns the Olympic listing didn't work. She said she'd look into it.

Hard to believe they don't notice no sales in Cali, but OK.

I called today and was told that Walther was sending all 4 of the new line to USA shooting and from there it would go to DOJ.
No idea how looooooooooong this could take, but it's a start.

She is talking to their compliance officer about currnet guns and will get back to me next week.

About the SKU:
This site lists the SKU for the Hammerlis, but I don't know how you could check that against the Olympic list. I'd imagine an FFL could do it.

https://www.smga.com/hammerli-arms/xesse-sf-sport-22-lr-13400

[ar15barrels]

This thread is so old I can't reply to it!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1475588

Check the box below the reply box that you are aware of the age of the thread.

[ar15barrels]

This thread is so old I can't reply to it!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1475588

I had no problem.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=26862201&postcount=6

[ar15barrels]

About the SKU:
This site lists the SKU for the Hammerlis, but I don't know how you could check that against the Olympic list. I'd imagine an FFL could do it.
https://www.smga.com/hammerli-arms/x...rt-22-lr-13400

Here is the list of Olympic pistol exemptions:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/op.pdf

They do not use SKU's.
They go by manufacturer/model/caliber.

[Dvrjon]

Spoke with Hammerli (Walther) last week about the Xesse and asked if they were aware that it isn't sold in California. I explained to the rep that since they had renamed the guns the Olympic listing didn't work. She said she'd look into it.

As 15bbls noted, the list is from 2013. The most recent additions (1/2011) to the roster are indicated by an asterisk (*).

HAMMERLI XESSE .22 LR
HAMMERLI* XESSE SPORT COMP .22 LR
HAMMERLI* XESSE STANDARD .22 LR

[cudakidd]

Have one...very nice!

[pinger]

I saw a new walther gsp expert at my lgs. They seem to be shipping right now.

[Wheellock]

I saw a new walther gsp expert at my lgs. They seem to be shipping right now.

Cool, how many arms and legs would one have to pay for it?

[PetaAnteata]

This thread is so old I can't reply to it!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1475588

Spoke with Hammerli (Walther) last week about the Xesse and asked if they were aware that it isn't sold in California. I explained to the rep that since they had renamed the guns the Olympic listing didn't work. She said she'd look into it.

Hard to believe they don't notice no sales in Cali, but OK.

I called today and was told that Walther was sending all 4 of the new line to USA shooting and from there it would go to DOJ.
No idea how looooooooooong this could take, but it's a start.

She is talking to their compliance officer about currnet guns and will get back to me next week.

About the SKU:
This site lists the SKU for the Hammerlis, but I don't know how you could check that against the Olympic list. I'd imagine an FFL could do it.
https://www.smga.com/hammerli-arms/x...rt-22-lr-13400

So... was there ever any conclusion regarding the this? The fact that the last time the Olympic exemption roster was last updated over a decade ago in 2011, does not give me the confidence that even if these were submitted for the exemption that it'll get put on any time soon.

Best bet is that, the newer Hammerli series are the same on paper and during registration, thus making the newer versions / variations also compliant.

[BONECUTTER]

So... was there ever any conclusion regarding the this? The fact that the last time the Olympic exemption roster was last updated over a decade ago in 2011, does not give me the confidence that even if these were submitted for the exemption that it'll get put on any time soon.

Best bet is that, the newer Hammerli series are the same on paper and during registration, thus making the newer versions / variations also compliant.

The Walther Hammerli's are still not on the Olympic list.
CADOJ does not allow guns made in different factories to be sold here.
Any dealer selling a Walther Hammerli as a Hammerli is risking their license.