Bushnell and Primary Arms Optics Identical?

[SuperSet]

The Primary Arms micro dot has 3000 hours battery life?

[TacticalPlinker]

Forgot about this video... It helps answer my own questions.

[PrimaryArms]

Bushnell and Primary Arms Optics Identical?

I guess maybe if the op was looking at cheap red dots.... maybe....

As to scopes, I've never seen a review of anyone I trust going over a primary arms.

However I do have this report from a 3rd party who tests scopes... and here is a review of a bushnell 3.5-21 G2DMR....

Note the image doesnt show the full report, but it clearly ends with "this is one of the best scopes I've....." Also note the "smiley face that each click value is supposed to be 1/10 actually measures .101.... Obviously the tester was impressed with this scope.....


So.... Anyone that thinks bushnell and primary are the same quality.... I'd say let Dimitri have one of his scopes evaluated by the same company and lets compare..... Otherwise, I think bushnell is top notch at a very attractive price. Note this test was a 3.5-21 G2DMR which retails about $1,300... if you want something better, get ready to spend at least twice as much... And even still.. it might not test as good......

So... Dimitri.... care to send in one of your 'tactical scopes' for eval and post the report? I'm very curious about them... as I only hear reviews of novices.... no one I know or trust has played with one- this would be a good test for quality that would convince me of your products.

Full article here-http://www.caprc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4666

It appears your not aware we use the same factories and parts. There is plenty of live video of me shooting our optics. Our Micros and Bushnell's will handle a beating. Our ACSS is laser edged and the BDC is as true as it gets take a look for your self and read reviews coming back on how effective the ACSS and Micros are.FYI .2 mil error is .69 MOA not sure how or why you think thats good your off over 4" at 600 yards. The orange stickers on our BDC chart represent .5 moa and as you can see its dead on! Sounds like you love Bushnell and to you PA is junk, if the logo does it for you we carry Bushnell as well.

http://youtu.be/nxwaiDeXP8c

http://youtu.be/4sdqrjEl2wM

http://youtu.be/iq1jh_njvjg

The real test is at the range,its the best evaluation lab period.


Dimitri

[Losd619]

Agreed. I'd like to know how they compare.

Does the Primary Arms have that annoying little piece inside towards the bottom corner? It distracts me from the red dot, when I looked at the Bushnell TRS-25.

I'm interested in the new Primary Arms MD-06L;

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-Micro-Dot-with-Removable-Base-p/md-06l.htm

I'd like to pick up an optic for my AR, but I simply cannot afford an Aimpoint or Eotech (or something similar), so until I can, I'd like to purchase something quality for a well built AR, but still more or less inexpensive (~$200 w/mount).

Don't get the L model. That is setup for a left handed shooter. The dial and emitter will be right in your line of sight. Get the regular Model 06 like this https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-...se-p/md-06.htm. All the micro's will have that annoying little thing in them. It's called the emitter and is what projects the dot. Even an Aimpoint T1 has one, however it is a little less noticable but it's there. Once you use the sight with both eyes open you won't even notice the thing is in there.

What you want to avoid is getting one that places the emitter in your line of sight. Like I said above, the 06 L model will have the emitter and dial on the left, while the normal 06 model will have the emitter and dial on the right. Much better for a right handed shooter. Hope that helps.

[Mikelarry]

Not even close...

Seriously?????????????????????????????

Lol postal=Bushnell fanboy

I own the MD-6 6x and 1-6x from PA you really need to find out for your self instead of bash these good people. PA has the best bang for the buck optics and customer service.

[postal]

It appears your not aware we use the same factories and parts. There is plenty of live video of me shooting our optics. Our Micros and Bushnell's will handle a beating. Our ACSS is laser edged and the BDC is as true as it gets take a look for your self and read reviews coming back on how effective the ACSS and Micros are.FYI .2 mil error is .69 MOA not sure how or why you think thats good your off over 4" at 600 yards. The orange stickers on our BDC chart represent .5 moa and as you can see its dead on! Sounds like you love Bushnell and to you PA is junk, if the logo does it for you we carry Bushnell as well.


Dimitri

So... when you get the 4-14 mil/mil FFP.... Send one out to Score high to test it, and compare to the bushnell I posted.

If it scores anywhere near as high, I would recommend your products. If not...

Read the test sheet... They aren't just comparing the reticle measurement... The actual click measurement and backlash and return to zero.

I love any product that is a quality product for a good price. Prove yours is by sending one out for testing.

[taifei]

comparing a $230 scope to a $1300 scope isn't really fair is it? Not to bash on either but they seem like they are in 2 different categories. PA gives options typically found only on more expensive scopes in a cheaper package. You lose a bit of quality for it. If i had $1300 to spend on a scope, I probably would be looking elsewhere as well, but if I only wanted to spend <$300 then PA is definitely an option. Personally I do not need a $1000 optic (or $500 rds) for 50-100yard paper punching when putting together the 3rd or 4th rifle (i splurged on my first 2).

To answer the OP's question, I heard great things about both TRS25 and the PA micro. I believe they picked from the same part bucket and assembled to different specs for the different companies. I would pick the TRS25 over the PA if they have a rebate again though.

[whipkiller]

So... when you get the 4-14 mil/mil FFP.... Send one out to Score high to test it, and compare to the bushnell I posted.

If it scores anywhere near as high, I would recommend your products. If not...

Read the test sheet... They aren't just comparing the reticle measurement... The actual click measurement and backlash and return to zero.

I love any product that is a quality product for a good price. Prove yours is by sending one out for testing.

Another option would be for you to send one of his out for testing to prove it isn't a quality product before you go around bashing it.

I hear a lot of good reviews on PA products, and a reasonably small percentage of people saying that it's not a good product for the price point.

[postal]

comparing a $230 scope to a $1300 scope isn't really fair is it? Not to bash on either but they seem like they are in 2 different categories. PA gives options typically found only on more expensive scopes in a cheaper package. You lose a bit of quality for it. .

There are a number of scopes in different price ranges in the "elite" series. Including cheaper ones that would be a more fair comparison.

[postal]

Another option would be for you to one of his out for testing to prove it isn't a quality product before you go around bashing it.

I hear a lot of good reviews on PA products, and a reasonably small percentage of people saying that it's not a good product for the price point.

Wouldnt everyone be more comfortable with a neutral 3rd party doing the testing?

[TacticalPlinker]

Don't get the L model. That is setup for a left handed shooter. The dial and emitter will be right in your line of sight. Get the regular Model 06 like this https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-...se-p/md-06.htm. All the micro's will have that annoying little thing in them. It's called the emitter and is what projects the dot. Even an Aimpoint T1 has one, however it is a little less noticable but it's there. Once you use the sight with both eyes open you won't even notice the thing is in there.

What you want to avoid is getting one that places the emitter in your line of sight. Like I said above, the 06 L model will have the emitter and dial on the left, while the normal 06 model will have the emitter and dial on the right. Much better for a right handed shooter. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info. That actually helped.

[Glocker23]

Awesome replies here - also good for Primary Arms themselves to chime in.

How is

The Eotech G33 vs Primary Arms 3X Long Eye Relief Red Dot Magnifier ?

Price is 460 for the G33 vs 200 for the Primary Arms and flip to side mount? Also.. can the flip to side mount be adjusted to flip to the left for left handed shooters?

[LBDamned]

Awesome replies here - also good for Primary Arms themselves to chime in.

How is

The Eotech G33 vs Primary Arms 3X Long Eye Relief Red Dot Magnifier ?

Price is 460 for the G33 vs 200 for the Primary Arms and flip to side mount? Also.. can the flip to side mount be adjusted to flip to the left for left handed shooters?

based on specs, the PA has longer eye relief... I have one for sale - (like new) in box with butler creek caps and bikini covers:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=830109

[ExtremeX]

Do you mean these two:
Primary Arms Micro Dot
and
Bushnell Trophy TRS-25

The rumor is that they are made at the same factory with minor differences.
I've seen this discussed several times in the past year on multiple forums and I believe even confirmed once.

It's like the Primary Arms 1-4x24 scope and the Millet 1-4x24 DMS, same scope, different reticules and branding.

Just some additional observations...

The PA 4-14x also looks like an OEM / Variant of the BSA 4-14x FFP

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-4-14X44-FFP-Scope-p/pa4-14xffp.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456482/product?cm_mmc=M_Spop-Email-_-Shooting-_-Shooting_20131021_1-_-Product6_Image&cm_mmca1=themesh@gmail.com&cm_mmca2=CustNum=103734563

Falcon Menace also has a 4-14x scope with a striking resemblance.

[PrimaryArms]

Bushnell and Primary Arms Optics Identical?

There is an ACSS 4-14 FFP HUD coming that will have a revolutionary laser edged reticle that with the help of anti cant device with allow you to engage targets of unknown range and movers faster and more accurate then ever before. We will reveal the design in the near future. Because everything is on the glass you don't need to pull your head out of the sight picture to look at data ideal for semi auto AR10/.308 I originally was creating it for the M110 . Hint the name HUD head up display. It will auto range and BDC out 1000 yards with 5-10 mph holds ,featuring
Auto LR-BDC a feature that I can't discuss in detail just yet.

Dimitri