Eotech vs Aimpoints

[!@#$]

Can you qualify this statement or is this just he-said she-said internet conjecture?

AFAIK, Both Larry Vickers and Pat Rogers, who are probably some of the most HSLD guys stateside are die-hard Aimpoint users and have stated this multiple times in print.


IMO, I don't know why everyone here is talking about "Field of View". You are supposed to use them with both eyes open, so your field of view should be unlimited and it should not matter how wide the window is.

when my bro was in afg at a fob the delta guys that were there used eotech for their cqb work.

as far as vickers and rogers have they been to war recently or are they range coaches? maybe they would feel different if the fraction of a second longer to pick up the small dot cost them their life.

the aimpoint will block your vision alot more than the eotech.

[spdlinegsr28]

I have the Eotech 552 & 553 tan on my AR's and I love them!! The 552's battery life is outstanding.....If my budget allows though, I would love to acquire an ACOG....

[Pryde]

as far as vickers and rogers have they been to war recently or are they range coaches? maybe they would feel different if the fraction of a second longer to pick up the small dot cost them their life.

the aimpoint will block your vision alot more than the eotech.

Vickers and Rogers train military and police for a living, look them up if you doubt their credentials, I believe Vickers was in Delta for over 15 years. People who "a fraction of a second longer to pick up the small dot cost them their life" trust their training to these men, so imo their opinion is gtg.

On the flip side I can say "people trust their life to their weapons, why would they want to use an optic that has a greater likelihood of failing during adverse conditions?" It is a well documented fact that EOtechs have problems with battery life in humid conditions, they will turn off or lose zero if heated too much, and the battery compartment is not resistant to certain solvents, and is not reliably waterproof.

What your bro saw in afg isn't a quantifiable statement, it is he-said she-said. I can probably make a phone call to someone I served with who is still enlisted and he can give me a random-*** story about how Force Recon prefers "brand X". Can you please quantify with some sort of verifiable proof that the EOtech is in fact the optic of choice for some sort of SF unit?

If you are saying "gee, it works great for my range use" that's one thing. If you are saying "Delta prefers this optic" you should probably have some proof to back up that kind of claim, not conjecture.

Note that I am not saying that the Aimpoint is better than the EOtech in any way, I am just asking you to back up your claim.


Here is a link to another forum where people who use these optics for a living discuss the same topic, theres a lot of really good info here about the pros and cons of each unit:

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=14435&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

[Pugster]

Great link to the 10-8 forum! Now I really have to go and buy/try the Aimpoint!

[!@#$]

i never said eotech was the choice of [insert HSLD unit here]. the delta guys at the fob my brother was at used eotech for their cqb work. this is fact. these guys get to use what they want not what is issued to them.


i know who vickers and rogers are but their opinion is just that. they are not the gods that lemmings think they are. they also feel bushmaster is crap but blackwater seems to do fine with them. i am sure they give great training but they are not the last word on anything.


your link seems to show most of the guys there think eotech is the better cqb sight. and the revf has solved most if not all of the early problems.

as always try everything you can get your hands on and use what works best for YOU.

IMO the aimpoint is the better overall sight but the eotech is king for cqb at this time.

[Jicko]

Eotech 552 vs Aimpoint M3, which one do you prefer and why?

EOTech.

[Paratus et Vigilans]

I own two EOTech 512's and one Aimpoint ML3. As others have stated, they each have their strengths and weaknesses. I use the EOTechs on my M4geries and the Aimpoint on my M1A. I find the EOTech superior, for me and my eyes, for close quarters. I think the Aimpoint is best at middle distances (i.e., across the street, or down the street, versus across the room or down the hallway). YMMV.

FWIW, most of the folks I know who have been to the sandbox and back say they prefer the EOTech for CQB room clearing work. Very few say they prefer the Aimpoint unit for that purpose. Of course, "people I know" is not a scientific sample, so take it FWIW.

In the end, it really is a personal preference kind of thing. There is no "right" answer.

[1SGMAT]

pryde beat me to the same issue I was going to put out there. I use the Aimpoint because that is what was best at the time when I was doing a lot of stuff with an M4. The first EOTECH's that I had a chance to play with did not hold zero and were not durable enough for field use (now the first M68 aimpoint's were also poor at holding a zero in the field).
That being said. Going back to the pryde statement, i have to back him up. I mean it has been some years sence I have looked through an eotech (i hear they have greatly improved) but if both sights are used properly the FOV should not matter. With both eyes open your FOV should be the same except for the area of metal around the optic glass and this should haze out with your eyes on the target so you may miss a fly going by near your face but that is about it. Keep both eyes open and focus on target not on dot. if target is over 50 meters away or in a hostage situation focus on dot and put it on piece of target you want to hit.

[maxicon]

Here are some interesting points from a recent post by Pat Rogers over at arfcom. He trains on field/combat use for cops and soldiers (and others interested in that style training), so this may not apply for everyone:

The EO has some dreadful disadvantages.
Battery life is one. I have 4 and while they advertise 1100 hrs, the most i have gotten is 400.
The battery box is susceptible to moisture, and that in turn causes corrosion.
We now teach an EOTech maintence block at class.
It has tiny controls, which are easily confused (especially when wearing gloves. Guys are constantly hitting the NV button and believing it has shut down.
It has an automatic shutoff. Geez.....

The Aimpoint is more rugged, easier to use, has a terrific battery life - which means you never shut it off, and it is one less thing you have to do when getting the gun into action.
While the Aimpoint is initially more expensive, life cycle costs, using EO figures, for battery life bring them both up to about eqaul.
Both are good companies, and both have excellent CS.

[Rck'n'ROll]

ummm...

What Eotech model is Pat talking about? I just bought an Eotch 553 (for my Christmas present) and so far it's soooo baaaad assss. I would hope to think Pat got some early Eotech models or mabey a bad lot of them. Anyhow no complaints here about my Eotech 553

[bobfried]

Can you qualify this statement or is this just he-said she-said internet conjecture?

AFAIK, Both Larry Vickers and Pat Rogers, who are probably some of the most HSLD guys stateside are die-hard Aimpoint users and have stated this multiple times in print.

IMO, I don't know why everyone here is talking about "Field of View". You are supposed to use them with both eyes open, so your field of view should be unlimited and it should not matter how wide the window is.

I happen to agree with both of them and only uses Aimpoint.

The Eotech info is my personal experience having dealt with people whilst I was stationed in Germany during the thick of Fallujah and doing a few Air Evac Medical flights from CENTCOM. I had a chance to talk to quite a few "John Smith SSN:123-56-7890" during my stint as a patient liason. Alot of people can claim to be SF but there are only so many that gets private flights out of Afghanistan and treated at a military hospital without a single shred of identifying documentations nor ever going by anything other than their patient number.

The majority of them used Eotech's for room clearing and general tossing around. Remember that these guys get to use anything they want and some had a specific setup for a specific mission. This was all from the horse's mouths so to speak.

And remember that an Eotech is much easier to pick up when using NVD and thermal equipment. The Aimpoint dot is hard to pickup sometimes if you don't adjust it right or have at least a decent cheekweld. The Eotech's FOV, as some have claimed, really has nothing to do with what your eyes are normally seeing. It is rather when you have something like a PVS-14 mounted to your head that the Aimpoint really does create quite a bit of tunnel vision. With the Eotech the FOV is much better through an NVD and it is 100x easier to pick up the Eotech reticle against a busy, multi-lit background versus an Aimpoint.

I use Aimpoints as I do not use NVD and when I had to or if ever again would still prefer my Aimpoint. But I am no HSLD door buster, I'm just a paper pusher at best.

[ar15barrels]

And remember that an Eotech is much easier to pick up when using NVD and thermal equipment. The Aimpoint dot is hard to pickup sometimes if you don't adjust it right or have at least a decent cheekweld. The Eotech's FOV, as some have claimed, really has nothing to do with what your eyes are normally seeing. It is rather when you have something like a PVS-14 mounted to your head that the Aimpoint really does create quite a bit of tunnel vision. With the Eotech the FOV is much better through an NVD and it is 100x easier to pick up the Eotech reticle against a busy, multi-lit background versus an Aimpoint.

It's not so much the actual "field of view" as it is the LENGTH of the area you look through.
The EoTech with it's shorter optical section is just easier to see through at angles.
The Aimpoint is much more "scope like" for lack of a better term.
You really have to be lined up behind the Aimpoint.

I have both Aimpoints and EoTechs.
Upon showing them to un-biased customers wanting to compare, almost everyone picks the eotech.

[bobfried]

Yup, your definately right, it is just my experience that when someone mentions FOV that is what they actually meant.

I will say it again, if it was my *** on the line for CQB stuff I'd pick the Eotech. But for my own personal use I prefer the Aimpoint. Preferences is 99% of the equation here as both are top notch combat sights.

[CavTrooper]

Ive used both the EoTech and Aimpoint in the field, where it counts, and given the choice, Id choose an ACOG.

[ar15barrels]

Ive used both the EoTech and Aimpoint in the field, where it counts, and given the choice, Id choose an ACOG.

That's what lives on my rifle too, but the Accupoint is quickly taking over for my 3gun rifle...