MAGNIFICATION???

[sonnyt650]

Personally I try not to be too engrossed in what other people can do with their own equipment, though the struggling guys you can't help but check in to be sure it's nothing they might have overlooked for being too close to the problem. A few weeks ago a guy had his scope mounted with the turrets canted 90 degrees so the reticle looks perfectly normal -- honestly I'd done that exact same thing a few years ago! I left soon after telling him about it but I'm sure he fixed it and had a better day afterwards.

Yeah I run magnification no matter what range we're talking about, so I learned that lesson and others a while ago. The only thing magnification gives you is the ability to see better detail than you can otherwise, and aiming/holding/shooting the rifle is still all on you. Red dots give contrast (not many glowing red things in target land) and some give magnification too, but that's just making you more visually efficient and you're not a better shooter because of it.

[jukeboxx13]

Personally I try not to be too engrossed in what other people can do with their own equipment, though the struggling guys you can't help but check in to be sure it's nothing they might have overlooked for being too close to the problem. A few weeks ago a guy had his scope mounted with the turrets canted 90 degrees so the reticle looks perfectly normal -- honestly I'd done that exact same thing a few years ago! I left soon after telling him about it but I'm sure he fixed it and had a better day afterwards.

Yeah I run magnification no matter what range we're talking about, so I learned that lesson and others a while ago. The only thing magnification gives you is the ability to see better detail than you can otherwise, and aiming/holding/shooting the rifle is still all on you. Red dots give contrast (not many glowing red things in target land) and some give magnification too, but that's just making you more visually efficient and you're not a better shooter because of it.

hey thanks for feeback i like what you said..i just traded my 3x9 to a 1.5x4.5 scope now.looking forward to run n gun with it and even 200 yard shots

[ElvenSoul]

You can keep your scope and mount a mini dot off to the side, or on top of current scope. Faster short range shots.

[jukeboxx13]

You can keep your scope and mount a mini dot off to the side, or on top of current scope. Faster short range shots.

very true..but right now i just want to run 1 system and get good at it

[HK Dave]

Think of it this way.... 1x per 100 yards... so 2x for 200 yards, 3x for 300 yards to hit a man sized target efficiently.

Throw away what we've all seen in hollywood, with the headshot attempts at a mile away... it's mentally retarded.

Get what you ENJOY shooting. For life and death situations, get a shotgun.

[r3dn3ck]

4x from 25-100 is fine if you must use optics. I just don't shoot rifles super close... no need so far. beyond 100yrds, my old eyes need optics to make precise shots.

My AR's wear either fixed 10x or 4-16x44. The 10x isn't really flexible and is useless up close.

If i were to practice 15yrds with a carbine I'd select no sights at all but the front one.

[gorenut]

Is hitting steel at 100 yards with irons really a feat? My first time shooting at Angeles, I was shooting steel with irons on my friend's AR. This was benched and standing, but definitely more consistent benched. Before, I couldn't believe people used irons at 300 yards, but if a beginner like me can do it with decent efficiency, I can easily see how a pro could do it on his worst days. This is just shooting steel though instead of actually getting good groupings (I have no idea what the groupings looked like).

I'm kind of in the same boat.. trying to decide between a 2-7x or a 1-4x scope for my Ruger Mini 14 Target. I like 2-7x cause it seems like it'd be flexible, but at the same time.. I doubt I'll ever use 6 or 7x and even 5x is questionable. 1-4x would be nice to have since the Mini 14 Target doesn't have irons on em and 1x could be used for that purpose with the added benefit of ease of use in shooting with both eyes opened.

[jukeboxx13]

Is hitting steel at 100 yards with irons really a feat? My first time shooting at Angeles, I was shooting steel with irons on my friend's AR. This was benched and standing, but definitely more consistent benched. Before, I couldn't believe people used irons at 300 yards, but if a beginner like me can do it with decent efficiency, I can easily see how a pro could do it on his worst days. This is just shooting steel though instead of actually getting good groupings (I have no idea what the groupings looked like).

I'm kind of in the same boat.. trying to decide between a 2-7x or a 1-4x scope for my Ruger Mini 14 Target. I like 2-7x cause it seems like it'd be flexible, but at the same time.. I doubt I'll ever use 6 or 7x and even 5x is questionable. 1-4x would be nice to have since the Mini 14 Target doesn't have irons on em and 1x could be used for that purpose with the added benefit of ease of use in shooting with both eyes opened.

i understand what your saying.but remember you where bench rest shooting..what i have in mind is run n gun stressful situations when your out of breath.. hitting at 100 to 200 yards is hard even with optics after all that running so hitting it with irons is a feat

[gorenut]

i understand what your saying.but remember you where bench rest shooting..what i have in mind is run n gun stressful situations when your out of breath.. hitting at 100 to 200 yards is hard even with optics after all that running so hitting it with irons is a feat

Yea, agreed. I think that adds even more of why I might consider getting a 1-4x vs a 2-7x. Seems like in a stressful situation, 1x would be more useful since you can shoot with both eyes open without throwing your vision out of whack.

[jukeboxx13]

Yea, agreed. I think that adds even more of why I might consider getting a 1-4x vs a 2-7x. Seems like in a stressful situation, 1x would be more useful since you can shoot with both eyes open without throwing your vision out of whack.

yes that right..right now i have the my 1.5x4.5 is very nice on its 1.5 setting after running and engaging targets at 25 yards quickly..