Scope on 20" A2 rifle fixed "handle"

[sendithit]

I've seen red-dot optics/reflexes mounted atop the fixed handles of carbines to aid in cqb-type scenerios/drills and I understand its purpose.

Since a 20" rifle is not really well suited for cqb and is more suited for non-cqb distance work, would a rifle scope work mounted atop its fixed handle....or would that be like pissin into the wind? Id like to be able to "see" my intended target beyond 200 yards.

I've seen rifle scopes mounted on flat top ARs, but I don't have a flat top. Im thinking about the purchase of a Mk AR scope, low height rings, and a mount for the handle. Will the rifle scope be too high on the handle? Thanks for the input!

[Darklyte27]

dont do it, be a better shooter and use the iron sights like it was intended.

if you want a carbine, get a carbine with a non zoom sight.
if you want to shoot with a scope build/buy a rifle made for a scope.

if you want some examples click some of my links in my sig.

[sendithit]

I already have a flat top carbine. I've seen rifle length flat top ARs with rifle scopes and buis. The question is whether or not mounting a rifle scope on a rifle length AR with a fixed handle would work as well as the optics work atop the fixed handles of carbines.

Btw, the 20" A2 rifle and mid-50s eyeballs are already in my possession....I just wanted to know if there was a way for me to make hitting my target easier by adding to what I already have.

[Droppin Deuces]

As long as you can find an adapter that fits into the sighting groove nice and tight it will work fine. I haven't seen many that work all that well, though.
You could also just get one of those little 3 or 4x scopes that was designed to be mounted up there. I don't recall the original manufacturer of those things, but I know that BSA and Barska both make their own version of it.

[Droppin Deuces]

There are also the little mini ACOGs that are designed to be mounted in there, but those are a pretty penny.

Here are some mounting options, and they also sell that little 4x scope for $70.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/MilitaryScopeMounts/AR15/index.asp

Good luck!

[ejhc11]

Primary Arms just released their new 3x scope model for the AR. It has a removable mount which when removed allows an A2 handle mount.

http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=1835&categoryId=156

[sendithit]

There are also the little mini ACOGs that are designed to be mounted in there, but those are a pretty penny.

Here are some mounting options, and they also sell that little 4x scope for $70.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/MilitaryScopeMounts/AR15/index.asp

Good luck!

Thank you, sir! Nice options!

[sendithit]

Primary Arms just released their new 3x scope model for the AR. It has a removable mount which when removed allows an A2 handle mount.

http://www.primaryarms.com/product.s...categoryId=156

Thank you...I think that shorty would work well on my fixed carbine. Nice options and reasonable prices!

[sendithit]

dont do it, be a better shooter and use the iron sights like it was intended.

if you want a carbine, get a carbine with a non zoom sight.
if you want to shoot with a scope build/buy a rifle made for a scope.

if you want some examples click some of my links in my sig.

Nice equipment. I'm leaning toward an EOTECH 512 for my flat top carbine. That stag6hl looks baddasss!!!!

[Redchevyman]

I have some really nice AR-15 carry handle one piece low profile scope mounts on my web site for $22 and you can add a 4 power scope for $20 more. Great deal and it will be at the right height for a good cheek weld.

[Droppin Deuces]

Primary Arms just released their new 3x scope model for the AR. It has a removable mount which when removed allows an A2 handle mount.

http://www.primaryarms.com/product.s...categoryId=156

Only problem with the Primary Arms sight is that it has a VERY short eye relief. So if you're going to have a regular A2 stock, you may not be pleased. I just spent a few days with the Burris version and while it's a very nicely made piece, I just couldn't deal with the eye relief. And that was on a carbine with a collapsible stock.

[sendithit]

Yep....my rifle has a fixed A2 stock.

[ejhc11]

Only problem with the Primary Arms sight is that it has a VERY short eye relief. So if you're going to have a regular A2 stock, you may not be pleased. I just spent a few days with the Burris version and while it's a very nicely made piece, I just couldn't deal with the eye relief. And that was on a carbine with a collapsible stock.

Yep I agree and when I was shopping for ACOGs their eye relief avg. around 2". How do the military use the ACOGs w/ such short eye relief? I liked the 2x20 but it was only 2.1" eye relief and even on a flattop it seemed kinda short? The longest eye relief ACOG was the 1.5x24 at 3.6". That was one reason I didn't get one yet.

http://www.trijicon.com/resources/product_literature/ACOG_ComparisonChart.pdf

[rimfire78]

I had a TA01 mounted on a flat top. Yes the eye relief is short, but with such minimal recoil, it's manageable. It's worth it in my opinion for such a kick **s crystal clear, durable optic.

If mounting on the carry handle, don't forget the cheek riser.

[Droppin Deuces]

Yep I agree and when I was shopping for ACOGs their eye relief avg. around 2". How do the military use the ACOGs w/ such short eye relief? I liked the 2x20 but it was only 2.1" eye relief and even on a flattop it seemed kinda short? The longest eye relief ACOG was the 1.5x24 at 3.6". That was one reason I didn't get one yet.
http://www.trijicon.com/resources/pr...risonChart.pdf

Well, from what I can tell by looking at pictures and talking to friends who were issued them in the Marines, they have to resort to using a bladed stance while standing with only the bottom part of the stock resting on your shoulder, which doesn't seem very practical. On the other hand, it works very well when shooting from the prone position. It's definitely not a CQB/gunfighter optic, that's for sure. I don't think I would have one on a 20" rifle with a full stock. The eye relief is more manageable on a carbine with a collapsible stock from what I could tell when I tried it. That was why I went ahead and ordered a TA31RCO-M4 model. with that set-up, you can still play commando at the range and square up to your targets when you get bored shooting farther out.