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  • FMJBT
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 4888

    Vector Optics 1-6X28 FFP "Apophis" Scope

    Just got one of these off of Ebay:


    I'll post a range report once I get a chance to shoot it (Hopefully soon...) Initial thoughts after taking it out of the box:

    + Extremely compact in overall length at less than 8" OAL. The 35mm tube does add some weight though, it's not a featherweight. Specs for weight say it is 18oz which feels about right.
    + Good glass. Resolution and color are both excellent, although at the 1X setting I do notice a bit of a "fisheye" effect near the edges.
    + Adjustments for windage and elevation are positive with no discernable backlash. Scope is advertised as having 200 moa of internal adjustment. I cranked on it for quite a few turns without hitting bottom on the 1/2 moa knobs. I'll take their word for it on the 200 moa bit....
    + Power adjustment ring turns smoothly with just the right amount of resistance.
    + Illumination works pretty well in both red and green. No flaring visible inside the erector tube. Some import scopes light up like a disco club inside when illuminated. you get a better view of the inside of the scope than the target, but this one doesn't have any hint of that.
    - At max brightness, neither red or green illumination is bright enought for daytime use in sunlight, although the reticle design is heavy enough to allow it to be picked up pretty easily even without the illumination
    - The reticle design is well suited for use on a semi auto platform like an AR-15, incorporating both rapid rangefinding and BDC holdovers. Unfortunately, from comparisons with other mil dot scopes and my Leatherwood CMR, it seems as though the reticle in the Vector is too large for it to be calibrated for the intended ranges it's designed for. Just guestimating, it looks to be about twice the size that it should be. The first sign of this is seen at 6X magnification as the 700 and 800 yard BDC marks go outside the field of view at the bottom of the scope. I've contacted the company about this and they seem open to the idea of fixing this issue, which is really the only glaring discrepancy I can find so far that keeps this from being a really great scope. It's still quite usable like this, but the calibration for the BDC will be way off, and will have to be manually dialed in for bullet drop.
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    Ryan S.
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 9

    The scope is pretty interesting since it so compact. The same company apparently makes the Millet DMS-1 and Primary Arms 1-4 scopes. Did you actually pay $399 for it (?), that seems pretty high since you can buy them for $200 if you get 10+, and Vortex 1-4x with LE (etc..) pricing is in very low $400s, Burris 1-4 around $270 after coupon from midway, etc.

    I'm not sure how you expect the 700, 800, "issue" to be fixable, I think correct drop is such that it can not fit in the sight picture at higher magifications, this is not somthing you can fix and keep the drop marking correct. A 5.56 round would drop ~22ft (31moa) from 100yd to 800yd, that is probably just out the sight picture at 6x. If you could take a ruler to range at 100yd and note inch mark that each BDC setting is at (so we can see if they calcuated them correctly), and see if they match at 3x and 6x that would be great.
    Last edited by Ryan S.; 06-16-2011, 6:54 AM.

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      FMJBT
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 4888

      Posting from my phone so Ill keep it brief. I contacted Stephen at Vector about the possibility of fixing the production design to address the reticle calibration issue, and not about replacing or fixing the reticle on my scope. Ill figure out how to use this one as is, but I think later production runs could use some tweeking.
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      • #4
        trigun
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 1

        According to specification the field of view is about 20 MOA at 6x. That means about 10 MOA from center to edge.

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          FMJBT
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 4888

          Originally posted by trigun
          According to specification the field of view is about 20 MOA at 6x. That means about 10 MOA from center to edge.
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          • #6
            FMJBT
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 4888

            Pics Added

            1X


            6X


            Mounted to 16" Sabre Defense mid length


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            • #7
              brando
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2006
              • 3694

              Interesting name for a scope...
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              • #8
                thmpr
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 3785

                35mm....wow....cant wait to hear the range report.
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                • #9
                  Sniper3142
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2004
                  • 2579

                  Originally posted by brando
                  Interesting name for a scope...
                  Maybe they are fans of SG1?

                  It does look interesting.
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                  • #10
                    tiger222
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 2396

                    As a scope nut, what I have found to be as equally important for the enjoyment of the optic is the mount - Vector should source something that looks appropriate and leave the airsoft picatinny stuff out of the equation, even if it blows a scope costing 3x as much out of the water, those rings just kill it for me. Congrats on your purchase!
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                    • #11
                      esskay
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 2304

                      Wait, is it a 34 or 35mm tube? The description says both - mentions 35mm tube but then 34mm rings.

                      Can get a LaRue in 34mm, though I wonder if the scope is too short to use the typical one piece LaRue mounts?
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                      • #12
                        pc_load_letter
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 2520

                        Good looking scope. I know most people will bash this scope as it's Chineese but that being said, I love my PA stuff.

                        To the OP, can you comment on what you paid?

                        I know the Sightmark guys were going to come out with a 1-6x illuminated. I wonder if this is the same scope they will be releasing.

                        Can you comment on the illumination? Good for bright sun etc?

                        Thanks again for posting.

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                          Solidsnake87
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 4399

                          Wait, is this supposed to be a Viper Vortex scope? Sure looks like a knock off to me if its supposedly made by Viper. I don't see it on their site.
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                            FMJBT
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 4888

                            Originally posted by tiger222
                            As a scope nut, what I have found to be as equally important for the enjoyment of the optic is the mount - Vector should source something that looks appropriate and leave the airsoft picatinny stuff out of the equation, even if it blows a scope costing 3x as much out of the water, those rings just kill it for me. Congrats on your purchase!
                            I agree, the rings they provide with the scope are bordering on ridiculous. The side rails in particular are pretty obtrusive when trying to turn the illumination or windage knobs. I'm considering an American Defense mount for it if it works out okay at the range. As it is the rings are at least pretty rugged. I might take a hack saw to those side rails though

                            Originally posted by esskay
                            Wait, is it a 34 or 35mm tube? The description says both - mentions 35mm tube but then 34mm rings.

                            Can get a LaRue in 34mm, though I wonder if the scope is too short to use the typical one piece LaRue mounts?
                            I'm pretty sure the tube and rings are 35mm. I'm at work right now but I'll measure it when I get home tomorrow. ADM makes a decent 35mm mount that should fit, but the scope is compact enough that an offset mount really isn't needed.

                            Originally posted by pc_load_letter
                            Good looking scope. I know most people will bash this scope as it's Chineese but that being said, I love my PA stuff.

                            To the OP, can you comment on what you paid?

                            I know the Sightmark guys were going to come out with a 1-6x illuminated. I wonder if this is the same scope they will be releasing.

                            Can you comment on the illumination? Good for bright sun etc?

                            Thanks again for posting.
                            I hadn't heard about Sightmark making a 1-6X, but I would imagine that if they are it probably shares quite a few parts with the Vector Optics scope. Doing some digging around I've also found that a company called Ellis Optics was making a 1-6X a few years back that strongly resemble the Vector scope. I'm not sure the Ellis Optics version ever went to full production though. It's possible that they had their prototypes or parts outsourced from Sunclear/ Vector Optics.

                            Originally posted by Solidsnake87
                            Wait, is this supposed to be a Viper Vortex scope? Sure looks like a knock off to me if its supposedly made by Viper. I don't see it on their site.
                            VECTOR OPTICS

                            I'm sure if Vortex made it, the reticle would probably be sized right for ranging and holdovers.
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                              FMJBT
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 4888

                              Originally posted by esskay
                              Wait, is it a 34 or 35mm tube? The description says both - mentions 35mm tube but then 34mm rings.

                              Can get a LaRue in 34mm, though I wonder if the scope is too short to use the typical one piece LaRue mounts?
                              Measured it when I got home from work today, the tube is 35mm. Comparing the scope next to my 30mm ADM Recon mount, it looks like it should fit in a one piece mount, but the tube is so short up front that not much will protrude past the front ring for putting a lens cap on.

                              One potential setup I'm considering is some TPS 35mm medium or low height rings coupled with a QD base.
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