1-4X Illuminated Scopes and other ?'s

[FMJBT]

Might as well add this to the discussion. Kind of early to have any feedback on this one, but the design looks pretty functional. Haven't heard much bad or good about Leatherwood/Hilux, they seem to keep a pretty low profile....

http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45852.aspx

[Grakken]

Anyone have any experience with this scope? (seen it on ARF)

http://www.grsc.com/combatriflescope.php

[Omega13device]

Anyone have any experience with this scope? (seen it on ARF)

http://www.grsc.com/combatriflescope.php

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75294

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=3131

[gose]

The best low power rifle scope hasn't been invented yet.
My dream scope for CQB to 600 yards would be:

Combine the Burris BDC reticule, the Swarovski magnification factor(1-6x), the Trijicon lighting sources, compactness, and light weight.

The Z6i will come out with a BDC reticle later this year, but not sure how useful a SFP BDC will be for a match scope, since 6x is generally too much for most 3-gun/action-type matches anyway.

[CB1_CO]

Leatherwood/ Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x

I just got mine in the mail on Friday. I bought it from Midway USA, $307 delivered!!! Very sturdy feeling, and the glass is extremely clear. They use glass from Japan, finely ground and polished and multi-coated. The reticle is a cool 6/7 of a circle with a 1 MOA dot in the center... neat idea. It allows the shooter to see the target better. The illumination is only for low light. You can not see it while outside in the sun. But if you are trekking through the woods, in and out of sun and shade, having it on works great. Obviously, it is great for near dusk situations. The new ZRO-LOK turrets are great to work with. Easy to zero and set at the zero mark (in case you twist it by accident). They are only 1/2 MOA clicks..... Oh, and it has a great eye relief as well. I wish it came with a quick picatinny mount, but I had to buy mine! A detail I forgot, so I had it for a day before I could shoot it! I got it to a quick zero in a few shots at an indoor range, so it will be on paper at 100 M. Can't wait to spend time working it out on the range.

[Teletiger7]

^^^What is the bdc calibrated for? M855? M193?

[pipboy]

Leatherwood/ Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x

I just got mine in the mail on Friday. I bought it from Midway USA, $307 delivered!!! Very sturdy feeling, and the glass is extremely clear. They use glass from Japan, finely ground and polished and multi-coated. The reticle is a cool 6/7 of a circle with a 1 MOA dot in the center... neat idea. It allows the shooter to see the target better. The illumination is only for low light. You can not see it while outside in the sun. But if you are trekking through the woods, in and out of sun and shade, having it on works great. Obviously, it is great for near dusk situations. The new ZRO-LOK turrets are great to work with. Easy to zero and set at the zero mark (in case you twist it by accident). They are only 1/2 MOA clicks..... Oh, and it has a great eye relief as well. I wish it came with a quick picatinny mount, but I had to buy mine! A detail I forgot, so I had it for a day before I could shoot it! I got it to a quick zero in a few shots at an indoor range, so it will be on paper at 100 M. Can't wait to spend time working it out on the range.

Any chance of posting some pics of the reticle? I'm curious to see what it actually looks like apart from the drawing. Thanks.

[esskay]

^^^What is the bdc calibrated for? M855? M193?

The reticle diagram posted above looks like it's mil markings not range-specific BDC markings for a specific load.

[LibertyOptics]

For the best all around solution I like the Accupoint 1-4x. Not unlimited eye relief or parallax free, and not cheap, but that is the worst you can say about it. True 1x both eye open with massive FOV, and 4x using the tip of the triangle is great for head shots to 400 yards...

Scott

[LibertyOptics]

Leatherwood's reputation is that the products are cheap Chinese junk. Perhaps this new scope is a step in the right direction.

Scott

[rockitman]

From what I read that reputation is mostly held by people that don't own them, and I read a lot about them before I bought mine.
The one I have has good glass, the zoom works smooth with no poi shift, and it seems to be pretty tough.
I would buy another one, and if I decide to get a 1x4 cqb scope it will be a Leatherwood.
I don't put a lot of stock in what the cyberguru's have to say about the quality of something they don't own and use.
The CQR reticle bdc is calibrated for 62 gr 223 and 168 gr 308.

[GutPunch]

Can someone explain a bit more about the (in)ability to see the reticule on targets in daylight? I'm building a plinking AR. I'd like to be able to use on the 300 yrd with a scope. I was looking at a couple different Leupold Mark AR scopes. However, I'm conserned I will have trouble. Most of the shooting will be from a bench with shade but I can't guarentee 100% of it will.

[pipboy]

Can someone explain a bit more about the (in)ability to see the reticule on targets in daylight? I'm building a plinking AR. I'd like to be able to use on the 300 yrd with a scope. I was looking at a couple different Leupold Mark AR scopes. However, I'm conserned I will have trouble. Most of the shooting will be from a bench with shade but I can't guarentee 100% of it will.

Pertains to not being able to see an illuminated reticle when shooting from an area of low light into an area which is brightly lit. The illuminated portions in some reticles are difficult to see in bright daylight conditions. The Leupold Mark AR series of scopes are not illuminated types anyway so you shouldn't have any issues seeing the crosshairs in daylight.

[esskay]

Can someone explain a bit more about the (in)ability to see the reticule on targets in daylight? I'm building a plinking AR. I'd like to be able to use on the 300 yrd with a scope. I was looking at a couple different Leupold Mark AR scopes. However, I'm conserned I will have trouble. Most of the shooting will be from a bench with shade but I can't guarentee 100% of it will.

Generally speaking for shooting without any time constraints or pressure (e.g. simple plinking, basic target shooting, etc), even if you have to take a couple seconds you should be able to locate your reticle and utilize it to take your shot. However, if the reticle has no illumination whatsoever, there are some situations where you might have some difficulty... e.g. black reticle on a very dark target, or in low light conditions where you might not be able to see the reticle at all, etc.

When you are shooting under pressure (competition, some types of hunting, combat, etc), this is when illumination becomes critical (some folks will say that they are very effective without illumination in their reticle ... that very well may be true and they could shoot way better than I do -- but I'd argue that if you hand these shooters a proper illuminated reticle then they'd perform even better!!). And especially if you are trying to take quick shots at close range at the low end of magnification. These types of scopes can be an almost-substitute for red dots but they really need to have very bright illumination to be good at it. i.e. the Short Dot, Accupoint, Meopta...