LPVO purchase options

[crufflers]

I've never looked through a Razor, but I don't know that I'd necessarily expect an $800 scope to have glass on par with a $1200-1400 scope. What I like about the Striker is the great glass plus the light weight. 6 oz lighter than either of the Vortex scopes. That counts for something. If it makes the Stryker less "combat worthy" than the heavier scopes, well, that's something I hope I never need to learn about.

I dunno that it is Razor clear or not, but EUROPTIC blew out Razor GenII's for $900 not too long ago. Yeah they are not feather light, but good glass does have weight.

I'm just curious where they fall on the glass quality line up... internals too. If they shaved weight, where?

[Munny$hot]

I dunno that it is Razor clear or not, but EUROPTIC blew out Razor GenII's for $900 not too long ago. Yeah they are not feather light, but good glass does have weight.

I'm just curious where they fall on the glass quality line up... internals too. If they shaved weight, where?

The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.

[HKAllTheThings]

The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.

Yes, Vortex switched out their brass internals for lighter alloys so they could try to win that USSOCOM S-VPS contract.

[crufflers]

The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.

I am aware. I was ok with the 2.5 ounces more or whatever for a 1-6 with great glass @ $900. Just another trade-off. Now if it was 8 ounces I'd probably notice... and maybe the Stryker is awesome glass and half a pound lighter than the the Razor, that's why I ask.

I also know there are people telling us Monstrum and O-light are tight tight tight!

[Munny$hot]

I am aware. I was ok with the 2.5 ounces more or whatever for a 1-6 with great glass @ $900. Just another trade-off. Now if it was 8 ounces I'd probably notice... and maybe the Stryker is awesome glass and half a pound lighter than the the Razor, that's why I ask.

I also know there are people telling us Monstrum and O-light are tight tight tight!

Monstrom FTE LOL. I considered the Leupold MK6 1-6 and the NF 1-8 but the eye box on both of those are extremely tight. IMHO for the glass, reticle, durability, daylight bright dot it's hard to beat the Razor 1-10 MOA.

[crufflers]

Monstrom FTE LOL. I considered the Leupold MK6 1-6 and the NF 1-8 but the eye box on both of those are extremely tight. IMHO for the glass, reticle, durability, daylight bright dot it's hard to beat the Razor 1-10 MOA.

AFAIK, my price on the Viper PST II and the Razor Gen2 (heavy ) were well worth it.

I see all kinds of positive Monstrum reviews on the fixed power prisms… the reviewers got free tish from them of course similar to the Olight reviewers.

[Ki6vsm]

The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.

Yeah. Exactly. I think it also went to a higher retail/street price too. I'm seeing them everywhere for $1400 now.

As far as if the Stryker is near as good, I can't say. I might not be the best judge, don't have perfect vision anyway. But I like what I see when I look through it. It's made in Japan. By LOW, supposedly. HD glass. I like DGMR reticle best. Simpler, finer lines than the more popular DSMR reticle. Less busy reticle. Only has a few mil hash marks on the vertical for hold-overs. Center dot gets daylight bright. Yet, because it's a smaller dot than the DSMR's reticle, the dot can be set dim enough not to dazzle your eye when used in dark places.

It might be made of thinner walled tubing than the two Vortex 1-6x scopes. Can't say for sure. That'd make the Vtx scopes tougher overall I'm sure, if you were to put them through abuse.

[ArmyMedicMoose]

I've been running the Razor Gen III 1-10 hard for the last few months, and it is a beast of an optic! Clear glass, and you can easily run the optic with both eyes open at all powers.
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[Ki6vsm]

^^^ Nice setup.

FWIW, here is the Delta Stryker's DGMR reticle, the simpler one with the finer lines. I'm borrowing this image from someone's post on SnipersHide.

I think the width of the lines here is 0.11 Mrad. (The DSMR reticle has 0.18 Mrad lines.) So these are about 1/3 skinnier than the DSMR's.

For comparison, the Razor Gen II-E 1-6x has 0.15 Mrad wide lines at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock lines (near center) and a 0.18 Mrad line at 12 o'clock. In case anyone cares.

[Sniper3142]

I've been running the Razor Gen III 1-10 hard for the last few months, and it is a beast of an optic! Clear glass, and you can easily run the optic with both eyes open at all powers.
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This or similar is also my choice.

The reticle allows for elevation and windage holds.

[Ki6vsm]

Those are pretty full-on reticles, I have to say. For an LPVO.

[crufflers]

^^^ Nice setup.

FWIW, here is the Delta Stryker's DGMR reticle, the simpler one with the finer lines. I'm borrowing this image from someone's post on SnipersHide.

I think the width of the lines here is 0.11 Mrad. (The DSMR reticle has 0.18 Mrad lines.) So these are about 1/3 skinnier than the DSMR's.

For comparison, the Razor Gen II-E 1-6x has 0.15 Mrad wide lines at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock lines (near center) and a 0.18 Mrad line at 12 o'clock. In case anyone cares.

Nice and clean, BDC

[crufflers]

Vortex Razor GenII JM-1 BDC MOA reticle looks VERY similar with one less hash under. Super clean and clear AF. Mine is on a LaRue upper with Stealth barrel so it was heavy already and 3 ounces is not bothering anyone. IMHO

[Ki6vsm]

Nice and clean, BDC

Yeah. It's good for more distant, or precise, target shooting. Probably hunting as well. Probably too fine for a "combat" reticle. The dot makes up for that, but it could fail.

BTW, for another comparison, to RDSs this time: at 6x the dot size equates to 0.38 MOA, and at 1x it's about 2.2 MOA. If I'm doing my math correctly.

I'm starting to appreciate the idea of the more robust Vortex 1-6x Scopes. And I think they've been proven in combat over in Afghanistan. Makes me think of older vs modern free-float handguards. The trend for the last 5-10 years, at least in the commercial market, has been to go lighter and sleeker. Quad rails fell out of favor with the average Joe. "Fat, uncomfortable tanks." But if you take one of the classic Larue, DD, or KAC quad rails, I bet you could stomp on one and not hurt it. I wouldn't try that with my BCM Alphas, SLRs, or even the one Geissele I own. Maybe they're stronger than they look, but still. I don't know.

[crufflers]

classic Larue, DD, or KAC quad rails, I bet you could stomp on one and not hurt it. I wouldn't try that with my BCM Alphas, SLRs, or even the one Geissele I own. Maybe they're stronger than they look, but still. I don't know.

A newer Mlok LaRue upper with the light or heavy barrel feels like one solid piece of steel.

Yeah JM BDC Hash marks going down from center 100 yards are about 300, 400, 500, 600 and the bottom fat vertical line is like 800 depending on ammo IIRC.