Glock night sights

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Could you share your reasoning?

Because fiber optic sights suck balls in low light, dim light and no light. I've used them in a dimly lit indoor range and they're worthless. Even at home if the lighting isn't ideal the fiber optic rods aren't visible. Indoors during the day with only natural light coming in through a window but no lights on in the room they've proven to be of little value to me. Pretty much only good for bright light conditions. They excel outdoors in bright sunlight. You actually need light to go through the fibers to get them to light up. The rods are also a bit fragile, and can break easily, but are easily replaceable on most sights, harder on others. My Mossberg shotgun has a fiberoptic front sight and it's broken once. At least it's easy to replace on that particular front sight. Just need a new rod, some wire cutters to trim it to fit and a lighter to secure it in place.

Also keep in mind regardless of whatever sights you go with for night sights, you 'll need a weapons light or flashlight. Can't shoot at what you can't see, and you should never be shooting blindly in the dark.

[T3Pros]

The rods are also a bit fragile, and can break easily

I was taught, and we teach to align the tops of the sights, so if the fiber optic front of my pistol sight does fall out, I'm at no real disadvantage. But I've shot 5 figures of ammo out of fiber optic sighted pistols and can not remember a time when the fiber optic fell out.

keep in mind regardless of whatever sights you go with for night sights, you 'll need a weapons light or flashlight. Can't shoot at what you can't see, and you should never be shooting blindly in the dark.

You're right. Since we're the Good Guys, we have to PID before pointing guns, and in my experience shooting in the absolute dark, any type of iron sight washes out when using a WML. So in my experience of taking multiple low light classes, and shooting night time pistol matches at my local club, night sights haven't been much of a help for me personally. Maybe your low light pistol training has shown you different.

If you aren't already, sign up this fall for the night time pistol matches at the Richmond Rod & Gun Club. Shooting and moving in pitch black is a blast. If you need help, PM me I'd be happy to assist.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I was taught, and we teach to align the tops of the sights, so if the fiber optic front of my pistol sight does fall out, I'm at no real disadvantage. But I've shot 5 figures of ammo out of fiber optic sighted pistols and can not remember a time when the fiber optic fell out.



You're right. Since we're the Good Guys, we have to PID before pointing guns, and in my experience shooting in the absolute dark, any type of iron sight washes out when using a WML. So in my experience of taking multiple low light classes, and shooting night time pistol matches at my local club, night sights haven't been much of a help for me personally. Maybe your low light pistol training has shown you different.

If you aren't already, sign up this fall for the night time pistol matches at the Richmond Rod & Gun Club. Shooting and moving in pitch black is a blast. If you need help, PM me I'd be happy to assist.

You're absolutely right, most people just want to see those dots, and if thats the case go with tritium inserts. But as you mentioned, any dots on the sights will get washed out but that's never led to an issue for me lining up the sights.

Thanks for the invite! I'll check it out.

[Koval33]

Go with the Trijicon "clones" - Ameriglo Operators or the FBIs...

I have had the TFX Pros for about a year in my G34. I got rid of it - too fat/too wide for my speed/precision (the THREE BIG GREEN DOTS in bright sunlight adds too much noise to the sight picture, for example).

If money is not a problem - try the Trijicon HD XRs.


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Another good reason for Trijicon is that when they go dead in 12 years, you can ship them your entire slide and they will replace the tritium vials (relamping) for $18 each. Cost me $54 +$8 shipping to have my Trijicon 3 dot night sights replaced on my Sig P232SL slide.

I haven't seen relamping offered by Meprolight, Tru Glo, Night Fision, Ameriglo

Because fiber optic sights suck balls in low light, dim light and no light. I've used them in a dimly lit indoor range and they're worthless. Even at home if the lighting isn't ideal the fiber optic rods aren't visible. Indoors during the day with only natural light coming in through a window but no lights on in the room they've proven to be of little value to me. Pretty much only good for bright light conditions. They excel outdoors in bright sunlight. You actually need light to go through the fibers to get them to light up. The rods are also a bit fragile, and can break easily, but are easily replaceable on most sights, harder on others. My Mossberg shotgun has a fiberoptic front sight and it's broken once. At least it's easy to replace on that particular front sight. Just need a new rod, some wire cutters to trim it to fit and a lighter to secure it in place.

Also keep in mind regardless of whatever sights you go with for night sights, you 'll need a weapons light or flashlight. Can't shoot at what you can't see, and you should never be shooting blindly in the dark.

[Kabitz]

I'm impartial to Dawson or Trijicon. I'm assuming you're looking for night sights for defensive handgun use, which also requires positive target identification as well as being able to see a threat. Do not rule out getting a WML or a handheld.

If you have eye problems then I could see getting an XS Big Dot. Short of that, no one uses them in competition where speed and accuracy is king. Not sure how that's any different than "combat shooting".

Can you share your combat shooting experiences with us ?

[Kabitz]

I've been carrying Glocks in duty rigs for the better part of nine years and have been formally teaching people for about seven. That's completely irrelevant though so lets get down to brass tacks.

You're absolutely right that competition shooters do not have targets that shoot back. This is still irrelevant to the argument. If only speed was king in their sport, they'd all be running XS Big Dots for point and shoot distances, but they are not. Bad guy gets a say on what the sight picture looks like, which is almost guaranteed to be a partial target or at least moving. This requires a degree of precision that big dots simply lack. There is nothing that big dots offer that other irons do not. What they do however is remove the ability to be precise at longer distances or for occluded targets.

Training to shoot "point shooting" distances only is training for the lowest common denominator and is training to failure. You don't know when your gun fight will be, under what circumstances, or at what distances. It is far easier to get someone up to speed who can dominate a B-8 at 25 yards and get them used to an acceptable sight picture at shorter distances than vice versa. Again, there is nothing that a big dot does that cannot be accomplished with other sights.

You not "using sights" until you're at 15 yards is a training issue. You mean to tell me you're point shooting for defensive purposes when the only area that can result in immediate incapacitation of a human target is in the upper thorax or the T-Box? That's not a recipe for success. The upper thorax target area is about 5.5" diameter circle (or roughly the size of a B-8) and the T-Box is about 3x5" with some change. You can only achieve repeated hits in these areas by having an acceptable sight picture which requires more precision the further you move back. You do not have to have a precise sight picture to use regular sights, whether they are "night" or fiber.

Multiple holes throughout the torso do not create an incapacitation unless the bad guy wants to give up, or you hit the CNS. The only guaranteed stop is a CNS or vitals hit, which are either in the upper thorax or t-zone. You need to make your hits count in order for them to be effective. Two rounds in the heart is far better than two rounds spread out over the gut.

This is popcorn for the audience and food for thought if you so choose. I usually shoot a B8 in the low 90's from the holster at 25 yards (10 rounds in 20 seconds) and am around 5-5.5 from the holster on the F.A.S.T. Drill at 7 yards. Average splits for the F.A.S.T. hover around .2.

nuff said ? final word ? IDK. Im pretty sure it will come down to whatever you shoot best. your eyes will give you plenty of feed back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVBj-H2mlRs

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Can you share your combat shooting experiences with us ?

I'm a prior LE POST instructor and have been a federal contractor instructor. Haven't been in a shooting thankfully.

[Mazingerzed]

Glock will install Glock Night Sights for $69 or Ameriglo Bold Night Sights for $100 pursuant to their warranty program. Your Glock slide will need to be OEM and you will need to send your slide into the Smyrna factory with warranty form. You can get details from their website. I thought it was a good deal.

[Mr. Blue]

Trijicon DI sights. I have a short video on them. Link in signature.

[Stumpfenhammer]

I've been happy with Dueck Defense sights on my Glocks, and they're local to Orange County. Fiber optic on my competition pistol and the tritium front sight version on the rest. For context, I've run, among others, XS Big Dot, Proctor, Warren, Trijicon, and Ameriglo. https://dueckdefense.com/shop/handgu...ht-for-glocks/

To the two gentlemen discussing the merits/cons of the Big Dot sights, I have to agree that they are accuracy-limiting. That said, I look at them as serving a need as many people just haven't developed (and some never will due to other priorities) the upper level marksmanship skills that make the limitations of a Big Dot obvious. And that shouldn't offend anyone happily using Big Dots, it just means that at a certain level of skill development and regular practice, the ability to precisely aim shots becomes more useful, and until you have enough good reps in to allow for consistent presentation of the weapon and an increase in visual speed, the Big Dot can certainly help someone find their front sight faster. Whether that translates to landing first hits on target is another topic.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I have Heinie Straight 8 Ledge sights on my Glocks. Tritium inserts and much prefer the less-busy straight 8 sight picture and they are VERY accurate.

[AlexRod85]

Hmm Trijicon HD GL101O Night Sight. is the best.

[AlexRod85]

The glock 19 is good.