Is the ACOG Obsolete?

[HKAllTheThings]

CCO = Aimpoint M4

[Munny$hot]

CCO = Aimpoint M4

CCO = Close Combat Optic. The AimPoint Comp series M, M2, Patrol, M4 etc.

[tomrkba]

I do not think it's obsolete, but people I know who are firearm trainers do. It's not because of the technology; it's that military gun fighting has changed. A straight 4x optic is far slower up close than a red dot. The variable optics are between them in speed.

It's always a problem for me choosing between a red dot with magnifier, ACOG, or variable tube. I ended up choosing the variable optic for the versatility and features at the expense of durability. I've always wanted to get proficient with ACOGs, but the tube optic just works for me. Maybe one day I'll get one (with RMR mounted on top) and put a few thousand rounds through the gun to see where I end up.

[HKAllTheThings]

CCO = Close Combat Optic. The AimPoint Comp series M, M2, Patrol, M4 etc.

Signs you know you've been in the military too long.

[Mr. Blue]

I do not think it's obsolete, but people I know who are firearm trainers do. It's not because of the technology; it's that military gun fighting has changed. A straight 4x optic is far slower up close than a red dot. The variable optics are between them in speed.

It's always a problem for me choosing between a red dot with magnifier, ACOG, or variable tube. I ended up choosing the variable optic for the versatility and features at the expense of durability. I've always wanted to get proficient with ACOGs, but the tube optic just works for me. Maybe one day I'll get one (with RMR mounted on top) and put a few thousand rounds through the gun to see where I end up.

[The War Wagon]

ACOGS are for young eyes. They are not obsolete. The operators become obsolete.

LOTTA truth to this!!! EOTechs, too.

[Tracers]

I had that new Vortex 1-10 and an ACOG. I ended up returning the Vortex because it just sucks at 1x. The eyebox is still a PITA even at 1x. I'd rather use an actual scope like 4-16 with an offset red dot or irons than that LVPO at 1x.

[solidfreshdope]

I just got a primary arms 3x prism for my AKM. it's really nice, but the one thing that bugs me is the eye relief. I feel like I can't get close enough to it with the fixed stock, but maybe someday the powers that be will let me put on the adjustable one. I have never used an Acog, at least never one that was mounted to a gun.

[teflondog]

I just got a primary arms 3x prism for my AKM. it's really nice, but the one thing that bugs me is the eye relief. I feel like I can't get close enough to it with the fixed stock, but maybe someday the powers that be will let me put on the adjustable one. I have never used an Acog, at least never one that was mounted to a gun.

The Primary Arms 3x Prism has 2.7" of eye relief. The TA31 ACOG has even less with only 1.5" of eye relief.

[solidfreshdope]

The Primary Arms 3x Prism has 2.7" of eye relief. The TA31 ACOG has even less with only 1.5" of eye relief.

[Munny$hot]

Signs you know you've been in the military too long.

I get funny looks when I call PEQ15s a LAM also .

[GW]

A reminder that I need to send my original in for new radioactive gas. Mine went dark.


I love the product

How long have you had your ACOG?

[BajaJames83]

Theres a huge difference between red dots and magnified optics.
When shooting things at range a proper magnified optics is what you want to hit things reliably without having to keep guessing over and over until you get it right.
For a static known distance range red dots work all day.
When unknown distance, multiple targets, moving targets or wind that's when proper magnified optics matter.

[k1dude]

Theres a huge difference between red dots and magnified optics.
When shooting things at range a proper magnified optics is what you want to hit things reliably without having to keep guessing over and over until you get it right.
For a static known distance range red dots work all day.
When unknown distance, multiple targets, moving targets or wind that's when proper magnified optics matter.

Not really.

Red dots are very similar to iron sights. In experienced hands, they can be shot well past the effective range of a .223 using simple Kentucky windage - just like when used with simple crosshairs of a magnified optic. Many red dots also now come with bullet drop compensation marks as well as some with windage marks.

Red dots are evolving just like magnified optics have evolved from simple crosshairs to sophisticated reticles with all manner of stadia for range estimation, windage, movement, drop, and even wireless communication with ballistic computers and Kestrels.

[1911RONIN]

Is the ACOG Obsolete?

Ta44 w/ acss not obsolete


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