Night vision

[k1dude]

Lots of hunters scout for animals while driving around at night with NV. They do it all the time in Texas when hunting predator animals and hogs.

When I've done that it's from the back of the pickup holding onto the roll bars, or in the cab with all windows down. I'll admit the driver usually had NV. I've been in an old bumpy jeep using thermal with the windscreen down. It's good from an ATV too.

But mostly it's been on foot. Once we have an idea of where they are, you have to approach from away on foot or they'll spook.

As I've said, it's best to have both. You use thermal to scan, then switch to NV to approach. But when you lose your targets in the dark, it's always nice to flip up the NV and re-acquire using thermal.

But, if I had to have only one, it would be thermal. I can do it all with thermal. You can do it all with NV too, it's just much easier to find them with thermal. Especially when you're in brush or forest.

[CouchOperator]

Can you use night vision to see someone in the bushes with camouflage on and not moving? Yes How about the ability to tell that a vehicle was was recently driven? Touch the hood Ability to locate a weapon in the grass that was just fired? Onboard IR illuminators will cause glint

Both have pros and cons.

Above

[Big bug]

Just be careful because all tubes are not created equal. Just because its cheap does not mean that you are getting quality. Good intensifiers seem to get better with time because it requires awhile to burn them in. If you get crap from the start they get worse.... I have seen so many crappy tubes coming to market lately.

[CouchOperator]

Thats why you get a pic of the unit on against a white backgound to check for blems, as well as a spec sheet...

[augoldminer]

You do know that mounting night vision scopes on rifles is illegal in calif.

It comes under the old fish and game laws against the Korean war INFRARED SNIPERSCOPE in the fish and game laws.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=580426

I know about this because the Kern county sheriffs department took my ANPVS 2 starlight scope and M1A back in 1982.
I found out a couple years ago they still use the scope in the department for watching drug criminals.

[robledo]

You do know that mounting night vision scopes on rifles is illegal in calif.

It comes under the old fish and game laws against the Korean war INFRARED SNIPERSCOPE in the fish and game laws.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=580426

I know about this because the Kern county sheriffs department took my ANPVS 2 starlight scope and M1A back in 1982.
I found out a couple years ago they still use the scope in the department for watching drug criminals.

hence, helmet-mounted

[Quiet]

You do know that mounting night vision scopes on rifles is illegal in calif.

It comes under the old fish and game laws against the Korean war INFRARED SNIPERSCOPE in the fish and game laws.

CA laws restricts "sniperscopes". [PC 468]
^Which makes...
Active IR scope with magnification = illegal [PC 468]
Active IR scope with no magnification = legal
Passive IR scope with magnification = legal
Passive IR scope with magnification and an IR illuminator = illegal [PC 468]
Passive IR scope with no magnifcation = legal
Passive IR scope with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Active IR goggles with magnification = legal
Active IR goggles with no magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Passive IR googles with no magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Active IR bino/mono-culars with magnification = legal
Active IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal

CA laws also makes any "night vision equipment" illegal to use while hunting or assisting with hunting. [FGC 2005(c)]
^Which makes all (IR/thermal) devices (scopes, binoculars, monoculars, goggles, cameras) illegal to possess/use while hunting.


Penal Code 468
Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime.
This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.

Fish & Game Code 2005

[robledo]

is there where I say that OP stated this is for use O U T S I D E of California?

[fighter4cage]

Tag

[Helius Lights]

CA laws restricts "sniperscopes". [PC 468]
^Which makes...
Active IR scope with magnification = illegal [PC 468]
Active IR scope with no magnification = legal
Passive IR scope with magnification = legal
Passive IR scope with magnification and an IR illuminator = illegal [PC 468]
Passive IR scope with no magnifcation = legal
Passive IR scope with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Active IR goggles with magnification = legal
Active IR goggles with no magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Passive IR googles with no magnification = legal
Passive IR goggles with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Active IR bino/mono-culars with magnification = legal
Active IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with magnification and an IR illuminator = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification = legal
Passive IR bino/mono-culars with no magnification and an IR illuminator = legal

CA laws also makes any "night vision equipment" illegal to use while hunting or assisting with hunting. [FGC 2005(c)]
^Which makes all (IR/thermal) devices (scopes, binoculars, monoculars, goggles, cameras) illegal to possess/use while hunting.


Penal Code 468
Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime.
This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.

Fish & Game Code 2005

PVS-14 falls under?

[BC9696]

Wait...so even though I am wanting to use this for ADC work (animal damage control) outside CA i cannot buy it because of this BS?

Penal Code 468
Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime.
This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.

What about goggles if not a "scope"...would that be illegal as well?

[BC9696]

I just received the strangest call from a blocked number. The gal claimed to be responding to my online inquiry about Penal Code 468 (which I had submitted a couple of days ago) and told me that this code was "...was up to my interpretation and that they could not provide legal advice." Now I was not asking for legal advice, just a clarification of the code itself. Nope. CA DOJ will not do that. So i switched gears and said, "If a thermal or night vision optic is offered for sale within the state, would that not be deemed legal to purchase?" She replied no...that "some technologies that are illegal can be sold legally in CA to law enforcement and special exemptees only." So welcome to CA guys! Not even the Dept. of Justice knows. Must be the Dept. of Injustice based on their anti-2A stance. Just bizarre. I said, "Wow...only in California can we write laws so vague that not even the DOJ can explain them." She obviously didn't appreciate that remark. I'm just shaking my head. So I said, the code refers to a scope which I interpret as a night optic mounted to a firearm. She replied, "That's your interpretation, you are free to confer with legal counsel on it." Jesus Christ! How FN lame is this state agency?

[BC9696]

Spoke to ATF, not a federal code so they cannot advise me but he did laugh at the way it was worded. Said the penal codes in CA are some of the worst written in the nation.