New Nightforce 1-8 FFP discussion

[koshkin]

My biggest disappointment with the accupower, razor and kahles and other 1-4-1-8 scopes is there low light performance. It could just be a personal issue but I use my rifle almost daily. I just hope the 34mm NF has great low light performance

Low light performance is not really effected by the main tube diameter. For scopes of overall comparable quality, like the ones you mentioned, low light performance is largely determined by the objective lens diameter, which is the same in all of these.

ILya

https://www.opticsthoughts.com

[Quinc]

I picked up the SWFA SS HD 1-6 when they first came out and it was very impressive. Not sure how they compare to the NF without having one in each hand though.

[Helius Lights]

Low light performance is not really effected by the main tube diameter. For scopes of overall comparable quality, like the ones you mentioned, low light performance is largely determined by the objective lens diameter, which is the same in all of these.

ILya
www.opticsthoughts.com

I'm aware of this just wish I could have stellar low light performance.

[koshkin]

I'm aware of this just wish I could have stellar low light performance.

It is difficult to find better low light performance with low range variable like these. The next tangible step up in terms of objective size is 32mm tweeners, like Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32. That one works very nicely in low light as do a few others. I have looked at a couple of 28mm objective scopes out there and they do not produce enough difference over a 24mm to be terribly concerned about.

For years, a sort of a general purpose low magnification design has been the 1.5-6x42, but that was largely abandoned by manufacturers until the recent wave of high erector ratio scopes. However, no matter how you slice it, if you want better low light performance, you have to give up 1x on the low end. I have worked around that by taking a larger objective scope and adding a miniature red dot sight on a 45 degree mount.

ILya

https://www.opticsthoughts.com

[Jaytil]

It is difficult to find better low light performance with low range variable like these. The next tangible step up in terms of objective size is 32mm tweeners, like Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32. That one works very nicely in low light as do a few others. I have looked at a couple of 28mm objective scopes out there and they do not produce enough difference over a 24mm to be terribly concerned about.



For years, a sort of a general purpose low magnification design has been the 1.5-6x42, but that was largely abandoned by manufacturers until the recent wave of high erector ratio scopes. However, no matter how you slice it, if you want better low light performance, you have to give up 1x on the low end. I have worked around that by taking a larger objective scope and adding a miniature red dot sight on a 45 degree mount.



ILya

www.opticsthoughts.com

The NF 2.5-10x32 with Velocity reticles were always great for me on my AR-10s. Sadly, those are now 42mm and the Velocity reticles are gone as well.


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[CSTactical]

A decent review on the ATACR here:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/nightforce-1-8x-atacr-rifle-scope-full-review/

[mlevans66]

This looks like something EVERYONE needs to be coping again from NF. I remember when they made that 2-10 scope and that was awesome. I might sell my Trijicon ECOS for this.

[CSTactical]

This looks like something EVERYONE needs to be coping again from NF. I remember when they made that 2-10 scope and that was awesome. I might sell my Trijicon ECOS for this.

I can't wait for them to come in

[LHC30]

Always interested in what NF puts out. That said, I have a Sig Tango6 FFP 1x6-24 and love it.

Can anyone compare these two?

Thanks.

[koshkin]

The NF 2.5-10x32 with Velocity reticles were always great for me on my AR-10s. Sadly, those are now 42mm and the Velocity reticles are gone as well.


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2.5-10x32 was a nice scope, but Velocity reticle was not my thing. The 2.5-10x42 is only marginally larger and quite a bit nicer than the 2.5-10x32 was in every way possible.

ILya

[Jaytil]

2.5-10x32 was a nice scope, but Velocity reticle was not my thing. The 2.5-10x42 is only marginally larger and quite a bit nicer than the 2.5-10x32 was in every way possible.



ILya

What is your preferred NF reticle, ILya?


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[koshkin]

What is your preferred NF reticle, ILya?


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I do not like BDC/holdover style reticles in SFP scopes in general. I can tolerate them when I have to, but generally, that is just a bad idea.

All I want is a simple mil-scale and some wind holds. Unfortunately, that is not real easy to get from Nightforce unless you like Horus reticle (which I distinctly don't).

In the 2.5-10x42 NXS, the only reticle I kinda like is Mil-R. It is pretty easy to live with.

In general, I think the most promising reticle design I have seen come from Nightforce lately has been the FC-DM in the new ATACR F1 1-8x24. I would really like to see some evolutions of that basic design propagate through their FFP line-up.

ILya

https://www.darklordofoptics.com

[ExtremeX]

I do not like BDC/holdover style reticles in SFP scopes in general. I can tolerate them when I have to, but generally, that is just a bad idea.

All I want is a simple mil-scale and some wind holds.

+1 on this big time.

[Helius Lights]

As soon as the 34mm come in I'll pick one up. I'll report my findings vs my accupower 1-8.

[Mute]

Day 1 Shot done. First impressions of the new 1-8 offerings. The NX8 is nice and light. Good brightness and should be daytime visible, though hard to tell from inside the center. The ATACR, absolutely amazing eyebox. Think nearly unnoticeable bezel, like the Vortex Razor HD II 1-6x but with slightly better looking optics. My opinion. Worth the extra cost. I'd take one in a heartbeat, just for that eyebox alone. Everything else is typical Nightforce quality.