New Nightforce 1-8 FFP discussion

[CSTactical]

They are day light bright in red but that is a very subjective topic just like the reticle I want to know a real world comparison glass quality and such.

Which scope are you discussing?

[Helius Lights]

Which scope are you discussing?

Accupower 1-8

[CSTactical]

Accupower 1-8

We will have to agree to disagree on that

[bug_eyedmonster]

They are day light bright in red but that is a very subjective topic just like the reticle I want to know a real world comparison glass quality and such.

I think it will vastly depend on what people are planning to do with this particular optic. It seems like some are seeing these as a "two in one" option. They can use it as a red dot sight, and a magnified optic rolled into one happy tube. If that is the case, then the use of the illumination would be more important as a quickly acquired sight, then the traditional illumination would not be bright enough for some.

Jerry

[Mute]

The accupoints have trouble providing enough illumination when you shoot from a shaded area into a brightly lit area. The tritium by itself doesn't provide enough light intensity in that kind of setting.

[koshkin]

I am not a huge fan of the Accupower 1-8x and prefer the Burris XTR II to it. I would like the XTR II even more if they gave me a simple mil-scale instead of the BDC, but that is another conversation. The circle in the XTR II works really well at 1x.

With the NX8, there are two things that really interest me: day bright illumination and short (<9 inches) overall length. Exit pupil on 1x is pretty small, but that is workable. I've used smaller with good effect. If the overall quality holds up well in that small of a package, Nightforce will really have something special on its hands.

The ATACR F1 is probably an excellent design as well and it will go head to head with the Minox ZP8, since at that price there are a few other options. If NX8 offers a day-bright FFP reticle, in its price range, it has no obvious competition for the time being.

ILya

https://www.opticsthoughts.com

[CSTactical]

I am not a huge fan of the Accupower 1-8x and prefer the Burris XTR II to it. I would like the XTR II if they gave me a simple mil-scale instead of the BDC, but that is another conversation. The circle in the XTR II works really well at 1x.

With the NX8, there are two things that really interest me: day bright illumination and short (<9 inches) overall length. Exit pupil on 1x is pretty small, but that is workable. I've used smaller with good effect. If the overall quality holds up well in that small of a package, Nightforce will really have something special on its hands.

The ATACR F1 is probably an excellent design as well and it will go head to head with the Minox ZP8, since at that price there are a few other options. If NX8 offers a day-bright FFP reticle, in its price range, it has no obvious competition for the time being.

ILya
www.opticsthoughts.com

Yup

[lehn20]

Let me see ATACR next to the CQBSS

[CSTactical]

Let me see ATACR next to the CQBSS

Owning and selling both the CQBSS vs. the Minox ZP8 I'll take the Minox all day long. Now the ZP8 vs. the ATACR is TBD

[Helius Lights]

The accupoints have trouble providing enough illumination when you shoot from a shaded area into a brightly lit area. The tritium by itself doesn't provide enough light intensity in that kind of setting.

I'm speaking of the accupower guys not the accupoint. But as I thought nothing concrete can be discuss to we have a comparison of both and see why the NF 34mm is worth 1k more base off specs it shaves off 4oz to a comparable accupower 1-8.

[CSTactical]

I'm speaking of the accupower guys not the accupoint. But as I thought nothing concrete can be discuss to we have a comparison of both and see why the NF 34mm is worth 1k more base off specs it shaves off 4oz to a comparable accupower 1-8.

Whether it's worth it is up to the individual, People also are unaware of the $300ish or so IP upcharge for a Horus/Christmas tree type reticle on Nightforce and many scopes which will add to the cost of the ATACR.

[Mute]

I'm speaking of the accupower guys not the accupoint. But as I thought nothing concrete can be discuss to we have a comparison of both and see why the NF 34mm is worth 1k more base off specs it shaves off 4oz to a comparable accupower 1-8.

Ah, misread. The accupowers actually are decent scopes, but I didn't find it to be any better than the Burris XTR II 1-8. Will have to wait and see how the NF compares.

[Helius Lights]

Whether it's worth it is up to the individual, People also are unaware of the $300ish or so IP upcharge for a Horus/Christmas tree type reticle on Nightforce and many scopes which will add to the cost of the ATACR.

My biggest disappointment with the accupower, razor and kahles and other 1-4-1-8 scopes is there low light performance. It could just be a personal issue but I use my rifle almost daily. I just hope the 34mm NF has great low light performance

[sigstroker]

What's the benefit of a 34mm tube on an 8x scope?

[koshkin]

What's the benefit of a 34mm tube on an 8x scope?

Same as for any other scope: there is more real estate available, so it easier to fit a decent 8x erector mechanism in there. The higher the magnification ratio, the harder it is to fit in a smaller tube. To make everything work you have to go with a very short focal length objective system, which causes rather shallow depth of field, which is a problem for scopes without parallax/focus adjustment.

ILya