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  • #31
    dieselpower
    Banned
    • Jan 2009
    • 11471

    Originally posted by teetsjones
    "second edit...cuz I am bored.
    Can I be arrested if I dont have a gun with a sniperscope?... Yes. Its still a sniperscope.
    Can I be arrested if I dont have batteries for the sniperscope? Yes. Its still a sniperscope.
    Can I be arrested if it doesnt have an IR illumintaor... No.
    Really why not? Because the law says the sniperscope projects the IR and that is active NV.
    Really can you point me to that in the law. Sure right here... through the use of a projected IR light source.
    Wait, the whole sentence is, "that enables the operator to detect objects during nighttime through the use of a projected infrared light source"... that means the person is using a projected IR source, not that the device projects it...
    Well we all want it to say what we say it does, so we will ignore common sense and common english to get our way.
    Oh ok. Thanks.
    LOL..."

    The scope in question does not use a projected IR light nor does it need an IR light source to work.

    You won't even believe a LEO who is considered by the courts of the State of California as an expert witness.

    All because you think you understand English better than anyone else.

    Truthfully, is English your first language? I ask because you alluded in a previous post it isn't.
    1- show me where a device that can function exactly as defined in a law, losses that designation when it is utilized a different way.

    examples;
    I am found in possession of a magazine that has 10 rds in it. The magazine is found to hold more if loaded with more. Just because I only load 10, does that stop a designation of high capacity? My LEO friend says, No its not a hi-cap. All the people on a gun website say its not a hi-cap. The courts have never convicted a person who went on information that if you only load 10rds, then its not a hi-cap. Are they all correct? We both know what the real answer is.

    I am found in the woods with an AR15 upper and an AR15 lower. They are not together, they are in separate bags. The LEO we responding to a shots fired call. Is the fact the firearm is not together a valid reason I can't be arrested? Everyone here says two halves dont make a firearm. Are they correct? Do I have a firearm on me? If I got 100 LEO to agree that I was not carrying a firearm, would that mean anything in this situation?

    It doesnt matter how you have been reading this law nor how the law has been presented to the CA ADAs. If an ADA really cared enough there is nothing to stop them from applying the sniperscope designation to a device which can use an IR source, but none was found at the time of arrest. A demonstration in court would show the device has the capability to fulfil the law and the law doesnt strictly state the IR must be projected by the device.

    In plain English, it doesnt say what you think it says, and a good ADA would keep you from saying what you think it says while testifying. Your improper reading of a law doesnt allow that same improper reading to be used as a defense. Again --- I was told if I only load 10rds, its not a hi-cap magazine and I have a cop friend and a website, lets call it calnutkguns who will testify to that. I only own 10rds, how can I be charged with a crime if I dont have more then 10rds on me?

    2- Does my lack of english skills provide me or you with a valid reason to ignore when people can point out we are wrong?

    You are saying because I was not born an English speaker, that when a friend who is an expert in the English language explains something, that their expert knowledge is nullified when other non-english language experts, who were born english speakers disagree with her.

    I speak no english.
    My Translator does speak English. She has a masters degree in the language. She was born an English speaker. She says ______ is the correct reading of a sentence.

    Friends of mine say she is wrong because they dont like what she says, and no one has ever agreed with that before. They have no evidence she is wrong, only that they dont like what she says.

    Who should I believe has the proper understanding of the sentence? The expert on English or the expert who doesnt like what it says?

    To get right down to it. Which is evidence in a court of law? Your mis-reading and mis-application of the law for 30+ years, or the actual reading and actual application of the sentence.

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    • #32
      dieselpower
      Banned
      • Jan 2009
      • 11471

      LOL, lets play this game...

      Under California law, a “large capacity magazine” is defined as any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds, but does not include any .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, any feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds, or any tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm
      My LEO friends and all the members at calnutguns.net say this means if I dont load over ten rounds or if I dont own more then ten rounds the device is not a high capacity magazine.

      They say it doesnt matter what is the actual proper way to read the law, only how people want to read the law that matters...

      LOL

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      • #33
        CouchOperator
        Veteran Member
        • May 2016
        • 4353

        Originally posted by dieselpower
        LOL, lets play this game...



        My LEO friends and all the members at calnutguns.net say this means if I dont load over ten rounds or if I dont own more then ten rounds the device is not a high capacity magazine.

        They say it doesnt matter what is the actual proper way to read the law, only how people want to read the law that matters...

        LOL


        Last edited by CouchOperator; 04-10-2017, 7:59 AM.

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        • #34
          Jedediah Munroe
          Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 397

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          • #35
            CouchOperator
            Veteran Member
            • May 2016
            • 4353

            Originally posted by Jedediah Munroe
            This mind #^|€ thread may just be the thing that pushes me over the edge to go thermal
            Just get a headmounted PVS14 and a laser/illum on your rifle.

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            • #36
              SWalt
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2012
              • 8701

              Originally posted by CouchOperator
              Hope im not stepping on OP's toes, but from a PM discussion with him, id like to add a small fact to this discussion...


              Hes from Sweden
              If he lives in Sweden I hope he got his answers. Kinda a shame it turned into another fight.
              ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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              "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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