Acog help

[FeuerFrei]

OP
I run a TA11 red circle and TA33's green chevrons on some of my AR's.
The 33's have beaucoup eye relief.
These are NOT target scopes so don't expect it to do things a target scope does.
Here are some links...

http://www.militarywarfighter.com/Trijicon_ACOG_Comparison_and_FAQ_s/386.htm

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/company/unique_to_trijicon.php

I believe the hold overs are for mil-spec ammo so YMMV when it comes to your ammo etc.. I don't use the ranging ladders and adjust my fire after the first shot lands. The ladders are damn close though.
Good luck on your rifle etc..

[ScottsBad]

SD get the Acog there is a reason the military uses it..

OP:
One of the reasons 4x ACOGs are not used on .308 rifles is because of the short eye relief. Who wants a scope in the eye socket.

Unless they increased the eye relief a lot, I'd say skip the 4X ACOGs. There are 3x and 3.5x ACOGs made for .308.

I have two SCAR 17s and I went with a Night Force 2.5-10X on one and a simple Aimpoint T2 with Aimpoint 3x magnifier in LaRue flip mount on the other.

The Night Force NXS 2.5-10x is very commonly found on SCAR17s. It gives you 2.5X for short work 25yrds or less. And 10X out to 600-800 yards depending on your skill.

I put the Aimpoint stuff on the other for short to mid range shots. Also, I bought the ADM Delta scope mount from PA, it was designed for the Mk20 SCAR variant.

What ever scope you put on the SCAR 17 make sure you use the best scope mounts and scope you can afford, the SCAR 17 is known to eat scopes for breakfast and make mounts slip.

I personally would not put an ACOG on a SCAR 17, but a few people love them.

BTW - Primary Arms sells Night Force if you are interested. They also sell what is arguably the BEST scope mount for the SCAR 17, the ADM Delta mount which was designed for the SCAR 17 variant called the SCAR Mk20 sniper rifle. It is a stout and tough scope mount. I swear by it...

[ScottsBad]

I've narrowed it down to the above acog or a vortex razor hd 1-6x and am cramping my brain on which way to go, anyone with a scar 17 have experience with either or both? I understand it's not a precision rifle but am having a difficult time deciding between the 2

A lot of guys use the Vortex 1-6x. The only complaints I've read are that the scope is WAY heavy and they run out of magnification. Some stick with 1-6x scopes and some end up selling them and getting more magnification on the top end for longer shots.

Two observations I've had with mine. One, I like the light weight and don't want to add any more weight than necessary. That's why I run one of mine with just a T2 (I take the magnifier off.) for free hand shooting.

Two, when I do want to shoot for precision I want more magnification that's why I run the NF 2.5-10X on the other, but it is heavier and not as good for free hand work.

If I could take only one SCAR 17 rifle into the SHTF storm in would be with the NF 2.5-10X because it can reach out and still shoot fairly close up. Even if the added weight bugs me.

BTW OTHER SCOPES TO CONSIDER - ELCAN 1.5/6X a lot of guys love these and the military uses these on the SCAR Heavy sometimes, but to me they have issues I don't have time to get into.

AMMUNITION SUGGESTIONS - I get fantastic accuracy (1MOA or less) with 168Grain Federal Gold Metal Match and American Eagle 168 grain OTM. You said it's not a precision rifle, but I can put 5 rounds in ragged hole at 100yds. The AE ammo is cheaper and about as good as the FGMM in the SCAR. Others have reported great results with Hornady 168Grain AMAX.

You will never get great accuracy out of any of the cheaper stuff like Federal XM80, IMI M80 clone, Winchester White Box, PMC Bronze, Etc. These are at best 2-3 moa rounds.

JMHO^ with some experience.

Anyway, good luck welcome to the SCAR club.

[SDBlaster]

I just want to make sure I put together a package that I am happy with as the scar has been my dream rifle for years. I am ridiculously excited to pick it up this weekend, Thank you for your responses, your time is appreciated

[ExtremeX]

I have owned a lot of different types of optics….

I don’t shoot at scar, but for my AR type rifles I have gravitated towards the low power variable scopes for no other reason than it’s the most versatile for the type of shooting I do. It covers a lot of ground from an application standpoint.

Between the ACOG and Razor, I would have a hard time picking an ACOG again based on how I shoot…

The ACOG is a wonderful optic, but its very purpose built. A big part of my shooting is just enjoying recreational target shooting and personally I just didn’t like the ACOG for that.

I do load my own ammo for target and long range shooting, so not being tied into a BDC and having reliable easy to use turrets was also something that became a must have feature. Having an option of running them capped just adds to the versatility as some people like something a bit more tamperproof.

[JMP]

SDblaster, I do not have a SCAR but I have a 16" gas piston AR-10. I have used a full size scope (5-25 or 6-24), a 1-6x, and an ACOG. The ACOG is my preference. On the dual illumination, look at both. You may find the old TA01 fine as it gives enough to see in both light or dark conditions. Some folks prefer these as the Ta31 dual illumination unit can get a bit too bright in strong day light, which is why often folks will keep a strip of black electric tape on the housing to dampen the pull from the outer tube. If it is your dream gun, I suggest you personally get a first hand view of all the options. You won't know what you want by taking advice from others on the internet that may have different preferences or frequently regurgitate simply that which they hear (not saying it's the case here, but it happens frequently).

[ScottsBad]

I just want to make sure I put together a package that I am happy with as the scar has been my dream rifle for years. I am ridiculously excited to pick it up this weekend, Thank you for your responses, your time is appreciated

Try shooting it with just the 'irons' before buying your optic. You will then have a better feel for the rifle when deciding. You will probably find that your shooting will improve with a Super SCAR trigger too.

See what a SCAR with a NF NXS 2.5-10 can do at 800 yards. SCAR 17 800 yards
Have fun.

[SDBlaster]

Good video! I idnt realize that with good ammo the scar could reach out that far accurately

[timbo399]

Bought ACOG TA11E (3.5x green chevron) for my SCAR 17. This was when all I had was a ton of m80 and other milsurp 7.62 and is great for my plinking needs- I knew I wasn't going to get 1 MOA at 3-600 yds w it but had great time at the range.

I since have bought 2k rds of FGMM 168 gr for a steal and am looking to get a 3-15x optic, still looking- something to interchange w the ACOG.

That still doesn't cover 1x though. on my LMT .223 AR I have Trijicon Accupoint TR24G 1-4x w green 4moa triangle lit up same way as ACOG does. Love Trijicon Accupoints, just wish had more reticles to choose.

But this is perfect for my LMT AR15. People have corrected me on this board when I say it's true 1x- but to me it might as well be- can go both eyes open easily and incredibly fast target acquisition and then ability to crank up to 4X.

But for SCAR I'd think if were going the 1-4 type scope you'd want at least a 1-6x or 1-8x. I think these are great scopes for SCAR 17's. Others have chimed in on god options for this as I haven't researched in a while.

[goodlookin1]

No on the TA31 or TA01 (4x models). Do yourself a favor and just say no. You'll thank us all later.

Instead, go TA11E (3.5x and the E version gives you a 308 BDC). I ran it on my 16" 308 AR for a long time and loved it. Comfortable eye relief, great glass, etc.

Or you could go with one of the great variable options out there.

[SDBlaster]

Quick question, why do they bring down the magnifacation down to 3 or 3.5x for the bigger 308 compared to the 4x models of the 556? It seems weird to me that a round that has more range would have optics designed with less mag.? What is the purpose?

[ExtremeX]

Quick question, why do they bring down the magnifacation down to 3 or 3.5x for the bigger 308 compared to the 4x models of the 556? It seems weird to me that a round that has more range would have optics designed with less mag.? What is the purpose?

Eye relief vs FOV

4x has an amazing FOV but you pay for it with ER.

You kinda have to shoot with it to understand... I also mentioned above, 308 with 1.5" of ER makes you an ideal candidate for scope eye if you have poor form.

[JMP]

OP, if you feel that 4x is what you want, don't rule out the ZO 4x30. It'll have an inch more eye relief, better FOV and better glass than the ACOGs.

[ScottsBad]

Quick question, why do they bring down the magnifacation down to 3 or 3.5x for the bigger 308 compared to the 4x models of the 556? It seems weird to me that a round that has more range would have optics designed with less mag.? What is the purpose?

I've often wondered that myself. I think it has to do with the difficulty of engineering that type scope with the large FOV so that it has useful eye relief. It could be that the large objective necessitates a smaller 'sweet spot' of focus. Sorry that may not have made sense, but I'd have to draw a picture to better explain what I'm thinking.

There are two other scopes to consider if you want Trijicon. The VCOG and the new TR25. Both are 1-6X scopes (I think magnification greater than 6X is needed for the SCAR but...). The TR25 is a little lighter duty, but still pretty rugged. I have a TR24 1-4X on one of my ARs and it is very nice.

The VCOG is intended to be a full on battle hardened 1-6X. It is heavy and expensive, but uses an AA battery for illumination and first focal plane reticle.

The TR25 uses tritium and fiber optics for illumination. This is a new scope for Trijicon, but uses some of the same design elements of the other Accupoint scopes. It is less expensive than the VCOG by about half.

Most people who are spending the kind of money it takes to buy a VCOG will buy the Leupold Mk6 1-6X. It is a little lighter, has a first focal plane reticle, but uses a small coin sized battery for illumination.

I have not used any of these scope but there are some reviews out there.

There are other 1-6x scopes like the Kahles k16i that is liked by many.

But I still think you will want more magnification.

[ScottsBad]

Here, take a look at this just for fun. Nightforce NXS 2-5x10x32 vs Vortex Viper PST 2-5x10x32 for SCAR 17

It's not that helpful for decision making but it indicates what some owners talk about.