Help with selecting a 1000 yard scope

[JMP]

The only problem with with Burris is why would you get a 3-15 when you can pick up a Steiner 3-12 for roughly the same price?

http://www.eurooptic.com/steiner-3x-12x-50mm-g2-mil-dot-rifle-scope.aspx

They are now under the same umbrella of companies, but comparing a Burris to a Steiner is like comparing a Zeiss to a Hensoldt.

[sean5063]

The only problem with with Burris is why would you get a 3-15 when you can pick up a Steiner 3-12 for roughly the same price?

http://www.eurooptic.com/steiner-3x-12x-50mm-g2-mil-dot-rifle-scope.aspx

They are now under the same umbrella of companies, but comparing a Burris to a Steiner is like comparing a Zeiss to a Hensoldt.

$200 difference before rebate and $300 after? That's the only reason. Lol

I'm a newbie myself when it comes to these kind of scopes. The Burris is hot like "Hansel" right now

[FMJBT]

The only problem with with Burris is why would you get a 3-15 when you can pick up a Steiner 3-12 for roughly the same price?

http://www.eurooptic.com/steiner-3x-12x-50mm-g2-mil-dot-rifle-scope.aspx

They are now under the same umbrella of companies, but comparing a Burris to a Steiner is like comparing a Zeiss to a Hensoldt.

Given the choice, I'd still go with the Burris over the Steiner. The Steiner *might* have slightly better glass, but in pretty much every other category the Burris comes out ahead. It's lighter weight, shorter, has better eye relief, more internal adjustment range, zero stop, 5X vs 4X magnification range and also takes a more common battery (CR2032) for illumination.

[Jaytil]

Hey Chief - someone mentioned the Nightforce quality but the cost was a bit over your stated budget. Check out the new NF SHV scopes in either 4-14 x 56 or 5-20 x 56. Same high quality glass, construction and durability but a lower price point.

http://nightforceoptics.com/shv

[Jaytil]

The only problem with with Burris is why would you get a 3-15 when you can pick up a Steiner 3-12 for roughly the same price?

http://www.eurooptic.com/steiner-3x-12x-50mm-g2-mil-dot-rifle-scope.aspx

They are now under the same umbrella of companies, but comparing a Burris to a Steiner is like comparing a Zeiss to a Hensoldt.

One other issue I see with the Burris is 1/2 MOA adjustments. At the OP's stated requirement of 1000 yds, that's over 5" per click. I would much prefer 1/4 MOA for that range and overall.

[707electrician]

One other issue I see with the Burris is 1/2 MOA adjustments. At the OP's stated requirement of 1000 yds, that's over 5" per click. I would much prefer 1/4 MOA for that range and overall.

The Burris has 1/4 MOA clicks

[Jaytil]

Thanks, Brian. You're right. I used the SportOptics link provided and their specs are wrong.

[97F1504RAD]

Thanks, Brian. You're right. I used the SportOptics link provided and their specs are wrong.

Yep, I have pointed that out to them. They also have it listed as being a 30mm tube when in fact it's a 34mm

[JMP]

Given the choice, I'd still go with the Burris over the Steiner. The Steiner *might* have slightly better glass, but in pretty much every other category the Burris comes out ahead. It's lighter weight, shorter, has better eye relief, more internal adjustment range, zero stop, 5X vs 4X magnification range and also takes a more common battery (CR2032) for illumination.

You might might choose the Burris, but based on the OP's criteria, I think the Steiner is a better fit. When it comes to getting a scope that is lighter with similar specs you virtually always lose out in construction. The Steiner is pretty durable, which is what I like and this is what the OP wanted. I assume that the Steiner has 20 Mil up with a pretty slick zero stop and mushy, but much nicer turrets if it is similar to the one I have (the zero stop function is one of the things I like about the Steiner). Battery? Most folks do not use illumination on a day-time scope. I have a few different batteries, but I prefer it when they just stick on a CR123 since that's what most of my other gear uses. "*Might* have a little better glass", well, that's an understatement.

Don't get me wrong, I am not really a fan of Steiner scopes as they come out with ridiculous MSRPs as if they are a big time scope, which they are not. But, Burris is simply bush league in comparison. It's a good entry level scope, but at $1,100, it's no wonder they have all sorts of rebates as it gets you down to what you should be paying. Did Burris start getting the glass that didn't meet the Steiner tolerances (now that they are under the same umbrella), or is it still from that Filipino crap?

I'd stick with the Steiner. But, either is a good entry level scope on a budget.

[Jaytil]

Yep, I have pointed that out to them. They also have it listed as being a 30mm tube when in fact it's a 34mm

And they list mil elevation and windage ranges on an MOA scope.

[JMP]

Hey Chief - someone mentioned the Nightforce quality but the cost was a bit over your stated budget. Check out the new NF SHV scopes in either 4-14 x 56 or 5-20 x 56. Same high quality glass, construction and durability but a lower price point.

http://nightforceoptics.com/shv

I mentioned Nightforce because the OP's main criterion was reliable and durable. For not spending too too much, I think Nightforce does it really well for getting a well build scope without needing to sell a kidney.

[97F1504RAD]

And they list mil elevation and windage ranges on an MOA scope.

I think the SCR reticle is MOa based.

[97F1504RAD]

You might might choose the Burris, but based on the OP's criteria, I think the Steiner is a better fit. When it comes to getting a scope that is lighter with similar specs you virtually always lose out in construction. The Steiner is pretty durable, which is what I like and this is what the OP wanted. I assume that the Steiner has 20 Mil up with a pretty slick zero stop and mushy, but much nicer turrets if it is similar to the one I have (the zero stop function is one of the things I like about the Steiner). Battery? Most folks do not use illumination on a day-time scope. I have a few different batteries, but I prefer it when they just stick on a CR123 since that's what most of my other gear uses. "*Might* have a little better glass", well, that's an understatement.

Don't get me wrong, I am not really a fan of Steiner scopes as they come out with ridiculous MSRPs as if they are a big time scope, which they are not. But, Burris is simply bush league in comparison. It's a good entry level scope, but at $1,100, it's no wonder they have all sorts of rebates as it gets you down to what you should be paying. Did Burris start getting the glass that didn't meet the Steiner tolerances (now that they are under the same umbrella), or is it still from that Filipino crap?

I'd stick with the Steiner. But, either is a good entry level scope on a budget.

The Burris 3-15 is like 890.00 not 1100.00 even the 4-20 is below that at around 980.00 before the current rebate.

[sean5063]

I think the SCR reticle is MOa based.

They offer an MOA and Mill variation

[FMJBT]

You might might choose the Burris, but based on the OP's criteria, I think the Steiner is a better fit. When it comes to getting a scope that is lighter with similar specs you virtually always lose out in construction. The Steiner is pretty durable, which is what I like and this is what the OP wanted. I assume that the Steiner has 20 Mil up with a pretty slick zero stop and mushy, but much nicer turrets if it is similar to the one I have (the zero stop function is one of the things I like about the Steiner). Battery? Most folks do not use illumination on a day-time scope. I have a few different batteries, but I prefer it when they just stick on a CR123 since that's what most of my other gear uses. "*Might* have a little better glass", well, that's an understatement.

Don't get me wrong, I am not really a fan of Steiner scopes as they come out with ridiculous MSRPs as if they are a big time scope, which they are not. But, Burris is simply bush league in comparison. It's a good entry level scope, but at $1,100, it's no wonder they have all sorts of rebates as it gets you down to what you should be paying. Did Burris start getting the glass that didn't meet the Steiner tolerances (now that they are under the same umbrella), or is it still from that Filipino crap?

I'd stick with the Steiner. But, either is a good entry level scope on a budget.

The XTR II scopes use the same zero stop setup as Steiner, along with glass from Japan. To my eyes, the glass in the new Burris scopes seems very similar to the glass in Nightforce NXS scopes, also sourced from Japan.