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  • CGT80
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 2981

    Originally posted by ke6guj
    arrghh, just got back from the meeting after getting sideswiped getting off the freeway. see what I get for speaking up.

    looks like it will mostly buff out.
    That really sucks!


    The meeting went well. While I agree with Ronin about the NRA memberships, I also can see why some people would not want to be associated with them. I wish there was a way the club and those who don't want to be associated with the NRA could both be happy. I was kind of on the fence about the steel ammo issue and I wanted to see what actually happened at the meeting, as not everyone is the same in person as on the internet.

    After going to the meeting, I have more respect for all of those involved. I have not seen any solid evidence that states that steel jacketed ammo is X percentage more likely to cause fires. Just about any ammo could cause a problem under perfect conditions. If I wasn't reloading all of my centerfire rifle and pistol ammo, I would want to buy inexpensive ammo as well. On the other hand, it would be terrible for the range to suffer a fire or and legal repercussions that may result from a fire.

    I do hope the board will find a way to allow the use steel jacketed ammo without leaving us open to legal trouble. Compromises suck, but I hope at worst case WEGC shooters will be able to use their steel ammo under conditions similar to what Ronin has listed. When the area is green and the fire danger low, I hope there would be no restrictions. There is no way to guess what will happen with the decision.

    It sounds like I have missed out on some cool guns and good BS sessions with the C&R shoot. I enjoyed the one time I did make it out to it, so if you are on the fence about joining in the C&R shoot, go for it.

    I was a little surprised that the board was open to hearing a limited member speak. I am glad they got to voice their opinion. There were less people at the meeting than I expected. Many of the people at the meeting were board members. I was one of the few who were there just as club members (full member). Ronin made a statement about a small group doing most of the work for the club, and he is right. We can seem to get only a percentage of the club to vote and few show up to meetings. It has been a while since I attended a meeting, but they have always been well worth my time. The board and club seem very open to hearing what has to be said, and details such as club financials are right there for the members to see/hear.
    Last edited by CGT80; 10-15-2014, 12:48 AM.
    He who dies with the most tools/toys wins

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    • ke6guj
      Moderator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      Originally posted by CGT80

      The C&R guys had a study on different types of jacketed ammo, but I did not see it. I did not hear any percentages from it. There were also papers from the Forest Service or BLM stating what they allow. The rules of other ranges could be looked at as well, but none of those list a real probability in a percentage to accurately compare the different materials, based on what I heard at the meeting. There have been cases of steel core or jacketed ammo starting fires and cases of copper jacketed ammo starting fires, in our state. We know it CAN happen, but we don't seem to have numbers to quantify the actual risk of one vs. the other, and we all want to avoid starting any fires. It doesn't sound very scientific to me.
      ).
      this was posted in the other thread,

      Originally posted by Dirte
      Crisis averted for the time being. We had a good discussion and good points made by all. No change in policy at this time. Board will be reviewing some of the relevant data and probably bring it up again at next meeting.

      Although Ronin2 and I disagree on this particular issue, he presented his opinion well, his intentions are good, and I commend him for his passion and dedication. The Board and other members in attendance were also quite accommodating and willing to listen. shda5582 was also allowed to speak and apparently the assumption that limted members are not allowed to speak is incorrect.

      One of the key points of discussion was a study recently conducted by the Forest Service regarding this very issue. Below is a link to the pdf of that study if you're interested. The highlighted portions are the points that I presented at the meeting.

      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...%20bullets.pdf
      with the link to the study
      Jack



      Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

      No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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      • ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        guys, can we put the NRA-requirement argument to rest in this thread?

        A couple of us full members talked with shda after the meeting about this and while I do understand why he takes the position he does (while I don't agree with it), the bottom line is that the club will require limited members to be NRA members next year. arguing about it in this thread is not helping anyone.
        Jack



        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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        • big103
          Mod without thumbs
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jul 2009
          • 3511

          As has been said before stay on topic of this thread. This thread is about steel core ammo being used at this particular shooing range, nothing else.

          To all the people who were calling each others names and going off topic. Stop this will be the only waring.


          A MOD
          All Right MEOW

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          • Jarhead
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2007
            • 2847

            My humble apologies, I mis spoke .........steel ammo it is

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