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  • armenjs802
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1053

    Soviet svt-40 vs. M1 garand – best battle implement ever?

    Comments welcome.
    IMO This is proper place for this post as History, but need be please move it to the collection forum.

    SVT40 vs M1 Garand article just came out and very good reading you be surprised with what you find... link below. copy right here.

    My self i am torn to half with this "FTF" now-- I shoot /collect both, I will stay neutral on this one. If you have a favorite by now, I think, you will still keep it. It is interesting though!
    Armen

    General George S. Patton once called the M1 Garand the “best battle implement ever devised.” But was he correct? The run up to World War II saw a giant leap forward in technology for weapons of war. The jet airplane was invented for WWII. Of course the atomic bomb was invented for WWII. But more importantly, the weapons that saw the most combat, the infantry battle rifles of the war, changed considerably as well, worldwide. The SVT-40 never really got out of the gate due to the later popularity of the AK-47, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was an influential rifle on the Eastern front during the war, or the fact that it totally rocks. We got to test an actual 1943 SVT-40 side by side with an M1 Garand, and the results may surprise you.



    BEST BATTLE IMPLEMENT EVER?

    General George S. Patton once called the M1 Garand the “best battle implement ever devised.” But was he correct? The run up to World War II saw a giant leap forward in technology for weapons of war. The jet airplane was invented for WWII. Of course the atomic bomb was invented for WWII. But more importantly, the weapons that saw the most combat, the infantry battle rifles of the war, changed considerably as well, worldwide. In 1936, three years after the famous German false flag the Reichstag fire, and three years before Germany invaded Poland, considered the “official” beginning of WWII, the US adopted a new battle rifle called the M1 Garand. During that time the Soviets also developed a new rifle, introduced in 1938, then re-released in 1940, called the SVT-40. Over 1.6 million of the SVTs were made during the early stages of the war, and many of these rifles came to the US in the 1990s. Many are in collections, but you can still find them if you look, for around $1,200 – $1,500. Was the Garand really a better rifle, or is our American perspective just skewed by nationalistic writers. The SVT-40 never really got out of the gate due to the later popularity of the AK-47, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was an influential rifle on the Eastern front during the war, or the fact that it totally rocks. We got to test an actual 1943 SVT-40 side by side with an M1 Garand, and the results may surprise you.
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    glennsche
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1831

    updated link:
    General George S. Patton once called the M1 Garand the “best battle implement ever devised.” But was he correct? The run up to World War II saw a giant leap forward in technology for weapons of war. The jet airplane was invented for WWII. Of course the atomic bomb was invented for WWII. But more importantly, the weapons that saw the most combat, the infantry battle rifles of the war, changed considerably as well, worldwide. The SVT-40 never really got out of the gate due to the later popularity of the AK-47, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was an influential rifle on the Eastern front during the war, or the fact that it totally rocks. We got to test an actual 1943 SVT-40 side by side with an M1 Garand, and the results may surprise you.


    i dont own a garand so i cant say if its "better than" one, but i know i LOOOOOVE the svt40. its great looking, shoots well, and might well be.
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    • #3
      Grendl
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      • Jun 2009
      • 1657

      I own more Garands, but prefer the SVT-40.

      BUT, I don't agree with the author. If forced to chose one of MINE in a firefight, I'd pick a Garand. They were inspected and rebuilt by the CMP. My sole SVT-40 has a questionable history. It's a Finn capture that was covered in bedliner when I got it. Cleaned up nice, but I'd still pick the Garand if my life depended upon one of those two.
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      • #4
        Crusader
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 2995

        The M1 is a great rifle and is amongst my favorites I've ever owned. Was it the greatest battle implement of that time? Not in my opinion. If anyone wants to give credit to an infantry arm of that time being crowned as the King, I would think the STG44 would take that title. Select fire capability, intermediate chambering, and detachable 30-round magazine... doesn't that sound like every other "Assault Rifle" ever produced after WW2?

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        • #5
          pro-nra
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2270

          I'm a little bias as I own many "U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1" and no SVT-40. I would love to see the SVT-40 against the M1 at out local silhouette matches. The M1 has won a few matches against fine bolt guns like the K31 and M96. IMHO, the M1 is a better made rifle than the SVT-40.

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          • #6
            armenjs802
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1053

            Originally posted by pro-nra
            I'm a little bias as I own many "U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1" and no SVT-40. I would love to see the SVT-40 against the M1 at out local silhouette matches. The M1 has won a few matches against fine bolt guns like the K31 and M96. IMHO, the M1 is a better made rifle than the SVT-40.
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            • #7
              jarhead714
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2012
              • 8562

              I can't even believe this is a serious discussion. Garand wins on sights alone.

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              • #8
                nick
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Aug 2008
                • 19148

                Since I have both Garands and SVT-40, I'll chime in. To me, the main advantages of SVT-40 are the detachable magazine and the adjustable gas system. The advantages of the Garand are the more reliable (in my experience, at least) gas system that's less dependent on cleaning, better balance and ergonomics, beefier stock, no issues with mag compatibility (all enblocks work just fine ), way better sights, and a rimless cartridge. Overall, I'd pick the Garand, or better yet, a Garand with a proper mag (pity they didn't want his original design). With that said, I love my SVT-40, and the price of ammo doesn't hurt that love at all

                I get better accuracy with Garands, but that's not necessarily due to the mechanical precision of the rifle, but due to the better sights Garand has and the better ammo I use in it (at least, I think so. I currently use 1960-70-s Lake City in it (getting close to start using the Greek HXP stuff), and I use the Bulgarian and Russian light ball in the SVT).

                Oh, and thanks for reminding me, now I gotta take them out next weekend. I had no such thing planned
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                • #9
                  nick
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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 19148

                  Besides, Garands are cheaper. I paid almost as much for my SVT as for a Correct Grade Garand. That's just wrong.
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                  • #10
                    pterrell
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                    • Aug 2013
                    • 3576

                    I feel like I need to buy an SVT-40 in order to properly compare the two now
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                    • #11
                      nick
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 19148

                      Originally posted by pterrell
                      I feel like I need to buy an SVT-40 in order to properly compare the two now
                      That's some sound thinking right there
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                      • #12
                        armenjs802
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                        • Dec 2012
                        • 1053

                        In Canada svt40 is half the price. Thanks to importation ban by someone in late 90s
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                        • #13
                          rojocorsa
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 9139

                          Originally posted by pro-nra
                          I'm a little bias as I own many "U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1" and no SVT-40. I would love to see the SVT-40 against the M1 at out local silhouette matches. The M1 has won a few matches against fine bolt guns like the K31 and M96. IMHO, the M1 is a better made rifle than the SVT-40.
                          Better comparison would be in a war games or something like that. These are after all battle rifles.
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                          • #14
                            ccandgc
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 2142

                            I own several garands and 1 SVT40 that I haven't fired. Yet. Comparing numbers produced, of course the garand wins. Fit and finish goes to the garand too. Scarcity goes to the SVT, as well as a certain degree of coolness. All around American bad***** is of course the garand. For me, it's the garand. My $.02.
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                            • #15
                              Bobby Ricigliano
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                              • Feb 2011
                              • 17439

                              Even as combloc collector, I have no interest in the SVT-40. If all things were equal I'd take the Garand all day, every day. It is the quintessential American battle rifle.

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