Gun Show Rules?

[Dolk]

I was at the Vallejo gun show last weekend. I haven't been to a show in a while now. They seem expensive and not a lot there, but fun.

The question I have is, one guy wanted to sell me a Mosin and said "it was a curio and if I wanted it I could take it with me right now, no waiting".

Is this true? or is this guy screwing up? Is it like a "face to face"?

Why can't a gun shop sell it the same way?

Or is it one of those stupid laws that don't make since?

[EOD Guy]

C&R rifles and shotguns over 50 years old can be transferred between unlicensed individuals. If a licensed dealer sells the same firearm, a background check must be performed. In California, this mean a DROS process.

California dealers used to be able to sell them without a background check or waiting period but the Federal Brady bill changed that by requring background (NICS) checks. So, blame the Feds, not California law.

[Sampachi]

It's true, unless the seller was a dealer. The Vallejo show is small, but goodies turn up there every once in awhile.

[technocia]

Sorry to hijack your thread, but I have a similar question too. What about handguns sold at gunshows by individuals, they would require some sort of background check then?

[savasyn]

All HANDGUNS with the exception of antiques(units built before 1899) require a background check in this state. Doesn't matter if it's a C&R or modern, it has to be DROSed + the 10 days, even if you have a C&R license.

[ke6guj]

All HANDGUNS with the exception of antiques(units built before 1899) require a background check in this state. Doesn't matter if it's a C&R or modern, it has to be DROSed + the 10 days. Even if you have a C&R license, same thing.

+1.

But if the handgun is C&R, and you have a C&R Licence + COE, it should be cash-and-carry from the dealer after the PPT DROS is dones.

[Spiggy]

I am in agreement here, the gunshow does rule!

-wait, was that a question?

[AaronHorrocks]

Or is it one of those stupid laws that don't make since?

It's one of the FEW things that a law hasn't been written to ban or restrict.

This is often reffered to as a "gunshow loophole" ... Your ability to buy a 50 year old rifle from another private party.

Yes, for those whom live in california and have had to put up with insane laws, the concept that you can buy and walk away with a firearm is so far out of the norm, it seems like a trap.

[Greg-Dawg]

The seller must have been a C&R FFL guy. Just ask him for HIS paper work for varification and seal the deal.

[grammaton76]

The seller must have been a C&R FFL guy. Just ask him for HIS paper work for varification and seal the deal.

Or a private individual. Unlicensed individuals can also sell C&R long guns with no waiting period or whatnot, and they have less paperwork to go through than C&R holders.

[SJgunguy24]

The only thing I have to do is write the transaction up in my boundbook,check ID and ask if it's legal for buyer to own a firearm and that's it.

[NoodleKnight]

Hey, not to derail the thread more. But what about blackpowder rifles/pistols/revolvers?

I've heard that they can be shipped to their door, so I'm assuming that they're cash and carry? Even pistols and revolvers?

[leitung]

It's one of the FEW things that a law hasn't been written to ban or restrict.

This is often reffered to as a "gunshow loophole" ... Your ability to buy a 50 year old rifle from another private party.

Yes, for those whom live in california and have had to put up with insane laws, the concept that you can buy and walk away with a firearm is so far out of the norm, it seems like a trap.

I thought the gun show loophole referred to buying a gun FTF in other states without ID or background check from unlicenced people.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Hey, not to derail the thread more. But what about blackpowder rifles/pistols/revolvers?

I've heard that they can be shipped to their door, so I'm assuming that they're cash and carry? Even pistols and revolvers?

For newly manufactured replicas, the antique exemption isn't for black powder firearms exactly. The exemption is for firearms that can't use conventional fixed ammunition. So black powder muzzle loaders are exempt, not because they use black powder, but rather because they are muzzle loaders. And a replica of an 1873 Colt SAA would not be exempt because it can use conventional fixed ammunition, even though the 1873 SAA used black powder fixed ammunition.

For guns that qualify as antique because they were made before 1899 you don't have to worry about this. They qualify as antiques even though they can use commonly available cartridges.

So a real Colt SAA made in 1898 can be shipped right to your door.
But a replica Colt SAA made today can not.

And both real and replica Colt Army Model 1860 revolvers can be shipped right to your door.

[Xerxes]

I thought the gun show loophole referred to buying a gun FTF in other states without ID or background check from unlicenced people.

Not exactly sure how the law works, but at most gun shows I have been at they had large signs that said it was illegal to transfer cash and carry ANY firearms at a gun show AND in the parking lot. I was told this applied to C&R also though the work around was to agree to leave the show and meet elsewhere to do the transaction.

Vallejo was one of the few shows without all those signs saying such so not sure if it was a local law or not.

Vallejo though was very strict at the last show that all firearms had a tag, dealers, private sellers, and hobbyist. All guns leaving the show were checked against the tag. Maybe for loss prevention? Maybe to control transactions? Maybe someone knows.