Classic have Russian M91/30 Mosin Nagant Rifles for $99

[emcon5]

That is a Molot for sure . That diamond is seen on riflez said to be from Molot factory.

Only by conspiracy theorists.

The <ГИС> diamond has two things to do with Molot, Jack and Schidt. It is a C.I.P. Proof mark from the Proof House of Klimovsk. They are C.I.P mandated proof markings, required for all firearms sales from C.I.P. member states, which Russia is.

Klimovsk:
Proof-House for the proof of small arms
2 bld., Zavodskaja str.
RUS-142 181 Klimovsk
Russia
Head: Vladimir A. Artemov

E-Mail: tsniitochmash @ podolsk.ru
Tel: +7-095-580 56 06
Fax: +7-095-996 59 10


Russia is a C.I.P. Member State, so if they want to sell it, it has to be proofed and marked in accordance with C.I.P. rules.

According to C.I.P.rules, Small arms manufacturers and importers within the C.I.P. member countries are obliged to request one of the accredited Proof Houses to perform the proofing of all arms they manufacture or import. No small arm can be put on the market in any of the C.I.P. member states without prior successful proofing in an accredited proof house according to the C.I.P. decisions.

In other words, they cannot be sold in/from Russia without being proofed at a CIP Proof house. Yeah, it sucks that it has to be there, but the alternative is these rifles never leave Russia, or are melted for scrap.

Ukraine is not part of C.I.P., that is why the earlier Ukrainian imports do not have additional proof marks.

[lasbrg]

Only by conspiracy theorists.

The <ГИС> diamond has two things to do with Molot, Jack and Schidt.

But, but, but ... Classic says

Brutus' Description

What a Find - Not only are we breaking the price barrier, but we are doing it with one of the coolest rifles on the market today.

These M 91/30 rifles were imported directly from Molot in Russia. Molot is renowned for having the most original, authentic,
and historically accurate firearms of all of the former Soviet Arsenal depots. All of these have the Molot diamond insignia stamp on the receiver wall. ...

Don't tell me that "Brutus" is just pulling this stuff out of his azz.

[pigman]

All the Christian stuff on their site, anyone else meet a "born again" junkie / addict? Last year he was beating his wife, this year your going to hell for not giving 15% to his mega church..

[lasbrg]

All the Christian stuff on their site, anyone else meet a "born again" junkie / addict? Last year he was beating his wife, this year your going to hell for not giving 15% to his mega church..

I am banned from OT now. The last thread there I posted in was titled "Do you believe in God?". (I made an off-hand comment about aliens.) Just saying ...

[pigman]

OT? Is that on calguns?

So 2nd amendment is protected but 1st is not?

Humm typical pick and choose of freedoms, guess that is what the nanny state does to folks, makes everyone second guess freedoms and liberties so many have died for, but humans tend to forget history and repeat it.

Maybe if you contribute $$ to the Calguns forum and become a "premium" member? You can be restored...

[emcon5]

Don't tell me that "Brutus" is just pulling this stuff out of his azz.

Well, folks have been incorrectly calling it a Molot mark since the first batch of PUs came in a year ago, hard to blame them. Classic arms has a presence on Calguns, hopefully they will see this and correct it.

Unless you think I am wrong, and Molot is now making ammo for Tula?

[lasbrg]

Well, folks have been incorrectly calling it a Molot mark since the first batch of PUs came in a year ago, hard to blame them. Classic arms has a presence on Calguns, hopefully they will see this and correct it.

I doubt that. Their larger market is people who believe anything you tell them.

Unless you think I am wrong, and Molot is now making ammo for Tula?

Great catches emcon!

[lasbrg]

OT? Is that on calguns?

Sorry. "OT" is the "Off-topic" forum. (Where discussions like this are supposed to take place.)

So 2nd amendment is protected but 1st is not? Humm typical pick and choose of freedoms, guess that is what the nanny state does to folks, makes everyone second guess freedoms and liberties so many have died for, but humans tend to forget history and repeat it.

Kestryll's line is that Calguns belongs to him and that 1A doesn't apply - which is true! I accept that, although it doesn't mean I have to like it. In any event, Kestryll doesn't care what any individual calgunner thinks.

Maybe if you contribute $$ to the Calguns forum and become a "premium" member? You can be restored...

I considered that, but I don't think it matters. I've seen "premium" members banned at about the rate as "non-premium" members. I guess I will just have my OT moments in threads like this one, where it flows from the discussion. If I'm perma-banned for that, so be it.

[pigman]

Nice..

Nice...

Nice...

[peppermintman]

And how about that diamond or Molot mark? I see the triangle too but i also see that diamond.

Thanks. I thought I was seeing a small Tula star on the top, but now I make out the Izhevsk triangle.

[lasbrg]

And how about that diamond or Molot mark? I see the triangle too but i also see that diamond.

The diamond is new. The arrow-in-triangle is original.



In this image Classic posted, you can see the diamond is on top of another mark.

[emcon5]

And how about that diamond or Molot mark? I see the triangle too but i also see that diamond.

Seriously? Answered above, and in your other thread on Molot M44s.

It is a C.I.P. proof mark. It is not a "molot" mark. Russia is part of C.I.P, and therefore any firearm or ammo sold from Russia needs to be proofed. Molot evidently uses Klimovsk for the rifles they process, but there are two others recognized by C.I.P., Izhevsk and Krasnozavodsk.

You seem to think there is something nefarious going on with Molot, care to share with the class what this is based on?

[lasbrg]

Seriously? Answered above, and in your other thread on Molot M44s.

Damn, that's ugly. I guess it shoots the same ...

[emcon5]

Damn, that's ugly. I guess it shoots the same ...

Yep. Here is a K98 that was imported back in early 2012. Guess what the triangle "T" logo means?



At least on both of these, they would be covered by the handguard.

The sad reality is any firearms coming out of Russia are going to have additional proof marks, because they are required to as members of C.I.P.

The upside is that we are actually getting rifles from Russia, which we have not in the past.

[lasbrg]

The upside is that we are actually getting rifles from Russia, which we have not in the past.

You know what would be a great development, would be if this really is a huge Mosin dump from Russia. If the price for all Mosin varieties was depressed, I would recommend paying a little extra for the Ukrainian (non-Molot exported) varieties, as these would be preferred by future collectors. For those of us who already own many Mosins, the value of our rifles will rise.