M1916 Spanish Mauser (Back in Stock) @SAMCO

[DennisCA]

FYI

https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-1916.html

[mosinnagantm9130]

I'm tempted to add one of these to my collection some day just to see how it stacks up against my 7x57 m1916.

[Crunch130]

It's very disturbing that they advertise these as being in .308 Win when they clearly are not designed for it. 7.62 NATO, mildly loaded at that, is about good for these things.

Crunch

[Simply115]

It's very disturbing that they advertise these as being in .308 Win when they clearly are not designed for it. 7.62 NATO, mildly loaded at that, is about good for these things.

Crunch

[emcon5]

I'm tempted to add one of these to my collection some day just to see how it stacks up against my 7x57 m1916.

If it was 7x57 I would order one right now.

[Emdawg]

Hmmm wonder what shape they will be in.

"Very good" sounds great, but I don't know.

[BruinGuy]

Dennis, didn't you have to send a couple of these back a year or so ago, or am I mistaking you for someone else?

[plumbum]

I need another .30 caliber bolt action like I need...

...wait, you say only $169?

[C&Rtrader]

Those kick like a very very angry mule. Its might be worse than a MN M38. The receivers are stamped .308 but I run 7.62 Nato through it.

[Crunch130]

Simply115,

Someone asks this question every few months. I'm a mechanical engineer with 27 years of experience. And I grew up in a machine shop. I have spent most of my career in the testing business.

The White Labs tests proved NOTHING. A 1-time test to prove something can handle a nominal load (i.e. your 55,000 psi .308 Win loading) over and over again needs to be proof-loaded at TWICE the load without failure. This is fatigue cycle theory that has been understood for at least 50 years. And the test should be repeated on a statistically significant number of test articles (like at least a dozen of the same model rifle).

There is more than just a one-time ultimate load to failure. Even if not doing damage in the short term, you could be loading the structure up into the "margin of safety" region with full .308 loads. In other words, you might be up in the fatigue cycle zone - a catastrophic failure could happen in a few dozen or few hundred cycles. You just don't know. They didn't even know what fatigue cycle damage was back in the 1890's when this action was designed. Understanding failure theory and modes has come a long way since then.

I realize I'm sounding very academic. I'm trying to help you and other readers understand a bottom-line conclusion - it's probably not a good idea to exceed the pressure a certain rifle action was designed for. General failure theory is that the item should be able to withstand a one-time test load that is 2X the normal loading, which it did not.

So I'm concerned that constant use of full .308 loads could cause bolt lug setback or other "slow" failure modes. This has been documented in Chilean M1895 Mausers converted to 7.62 NATO. Not to mention the gas venting in a small-ring is not nearly as good as a large-ringe if a case ruptures.

Stay on the safe side and reload for those small-ring Mausers to no greater pressure than the original 7X57 ran. 300 Savage load data will get you there. And from a practical point of view, you won't miss the bit of muzzle velocity lost. It's neither a sniper rifle nor an elephant gun.

Safe shooting,
Crunch

[w55]

^^^Good info,thanks

[TRAP55]

Crunch made an important point about small ring Mausers. "IF" something lets go, there's no gas shield on the bolt shroud to save your face.
This is the result of a pierced primer on a Brazilian 1908 7mm 98 large ring that happened at the last Norcal shoot. The brass from the primer, was plasma blasted back into the bolt body. It melted the firing pin, and etched out the FP hole in the bolt face. There was brass that vented from the bolt body vent holes, "brazed" to the inside rail of the receiver, and some that was stopped by the shroud's gas shield. This was just a pierced primer.





Exact cause isn't known, but this was a 1916/FR-7 in ".308 Winchester".

[Simply115]

Simply115,

Someone asks this question every few months. I'm a mechanical engineer with 27 years of experience. And I grew up in a machine shop. I have spent most of my career in the testing business.

The White Labs tests proved NOTHING. A 1-time test to prove something can handle a nominal load (i.e. your 55,000 psi .308 Win loading) over and over again needs to be proof-loaded at TWICE the load without failure. This is fatigue cycle theory that has been understood for at least 50 years. And the test should be repeated on a statistically significant number of test articles (like at least a dozen of the same model rifle).

There is more than just a one-time ultimate load to failure. Even if not doing damage in the short term, you could be loading the structure up into the "margin of safety" region with full .308 loads. In other words, you might be up in the fatigue cycle zone - a catastrophic failure could happen in a few dozen or few hundred cycles. You just don't know. They didn't even know what fatigue cycle damage was back in the 1890's when this action was designed. Understanding failure theory and modes has come a long way since then.

I realize I'm sounding very academic. I'm trying to help you and other readers understand a bottom-line conclusion - it's probably not a good idea to exceed the pressure a certain rifle action was designed for. General failure theory is that the item should be able to withstand a one-time test load that is 2X the normal loading, which it did not.

So I'm concerned that constant use of full .308 loads could cause bolt lug setback or other "slow" failure modes. This has been documented in Chilean M1895 Mausers converted to 7.62 NATO. Not to mention the gas venting in a small-ring is not nearly as good as a large-ringe if a case ruptures.

Stay on the safe side and reload for those small-ring Mausers to no greater pressure than the original 7X57 ran. 300 Savage load data will get you there. And from a practical point of view, you won't miss the bit of muzzle velocity lost. It's neither a sniper rifle nor an elephant gun.

Safe shooting,
Crunch

Thanks for the reasoning behind your assertion. I myself am training to become a machinist, so this is a good learning experience here.

[DennisCA]

Dennis, didn't you have to send a couple of these back a year or so ago, or am I mistaking you for someone else?

You are correct
Actually I had three; kept getting them and sending them back.

Here's the 3rd one:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=590627

Damn shame I had problems with the fired cases getting stuck, since it was such a nice lookin' rifle.

[justin4fun]

Well I got one with no rust, a well used stock and not a single matching number. I was pleased the crest was clean but tried to clean and couldn't get both the action screws out. Both were mauled up but neither wanted to come out. I started soaking in kroil and was able to get one removed. Looks like they used the wrong screws because it knocked all the points off the threads. Also has a thin crack in the hand guard. bluing is not to bad though. At least it came with a sling and muzzle guard. Guess I will have to bring this one to TRAP55 as well.

I saw a week ago when I checked my CC bill and noticed the charge. Contacted Samco and they said it had shipped and was a backorder from January. I was a little surprised and was going to argue but then decided for under 200.00 how bad could it be. If its a good shooter I will call it good but If I cant clean it or it shoots bad I will raise hell.