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  • rdsr
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 38

    cz52

    Can a CZ52(pistol) be imported into Ca.? It is over 50 yrs. old. Or are the only things avail. here on the DOJ approved list?

    I found one I'm interested in but I don't want to waste anyones time if it's not importable.



    Roy
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    wilit
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2005
    • 5210

    Yes, C&R pistols are exempt from the safe handgun list.

    12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
    (1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
    (2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
    (3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

    (b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 101/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
    Last edited by wilit; 04-27-2008, 11:11 PM.
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    • #3
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30242

      CA Penal Code 12133(a)(1) applies to single-action revolvers made before 1900 and listed as a C&R.

      CA Penal Code 12125(b)(3) is the correct reference indicating the CZ52 is exempt from the approved list.


      CA Penal Code 12125
      (b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
      (3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
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      • #4
        caldude
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 1253

        Yes, it can be shipped here, but it must go through an 01FFL, which means transfer fees, etc. If you have your 03FFL, it's cheaper to buy one if you ever find yourself out of state (bring copies of your license with you), and then either carry it back, or ship it back to yourself.

        I picked up my CZ52 at the Reno gun show last month, and finally got to shoot it this weekend. Fun shooting, but I had an issue with the magazine that came with the gun.

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        • #5
          JAGGUY
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 1536

          "and then either carry it back, or ship it back to yourself."

          Can I , as an ffl 03 holder, legally ship a C&R handgun back to myself in California when I am out of state?
          Last edited by JAGGUY; 04-30-2008, 12:50 PM.
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          • #6
            mymonkeyman
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 1049

            Remember if you buy a handgun out of state with your C&R license you have to report it to the CA DOJ within 5 days of bringing it in to California.
            The above does not constitute legal advice. I am not your lawyer.

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            • #7
              JAGGUY
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 1536

              Oh, I understand reporting to the DOJ. I guess I am thinking of issues regarding the postal and shipping aspect.
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              • #8
                rdsr
                Junior Member
                • Jun 2006
                • 38

                Diffrent Answers

                I found one (CZ52) I want and my local FFL says NO. He says C&R are only avail. if a person has a C&R liscence.

                I seem to get diffrent answers depending on who I ask.

                Has anyone who doesn't have a C&R purchased one from out of state and had it shipped in to a Ca. FFL?

                tia
                Roy

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                • #9
                  maxicon
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4661

                  Your local FFL is incorrect. The C&R license doesn't matter for any transfers inside California, only if you bought it out of state and brought it back in yourself.

                  The law is pretty specific on it, as posted above.
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                  • #10
                    corpsedub
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 88

                    Originally posted by rdsr
                    I found one (CZ52) I want and my local FFL says NO. He says C&R are only avail. if a person has a C&R liscence.

                    I seem to get diffrent answers depending on who I ask.

                    Has anyone who doesn't have a C&R purchased one from out of state and had it shipped in to a Ca. FFL?

                    tia
                    Roy

                    he is wrong cause i have one right now and i dont have an FFL03(C&R license). if that where the case, then how do all these bubba's get mosins at big 5(myself included)?

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                    • #11
                      jmlivingston
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 5095

                      Originally posted by corpsedub
                      he is wrong cause i have one right now and i dont have an FFL03(C&R license). if that where the case, then how do all these bubba's get mosins at big 5(myself included)?
                      Because those Mosin's are rifles, and there is no "Safe Rifle List" which they have to be on to be eligible for import and subsequent sale into the state. The op's question has to do with a handgun, which happens to be C&R, and whether or not it is exempted from the requirements of the Safe Handgun List based on its C&R status.

                      The other posters were correct in that the FFL in question apparently doesn't know what he's doing. If he has legitimate reason for not wanting to import one then that is his business and he should just be upfront about it. If he really believes that C&R's may only be sold to C&R holders then he needs to go get a new job somewhere. He probably doesn't sell many single-action pistols, since they aren't on the list either!

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                      • #12
                        rdsr
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 38

                        diffrent answers

                        Thanks For the info. everyone. A little research and I find out that Turners Out. was selling these (cz52) a couple of years ago.

                        First FFL here(Santa Barbara) says I have to have an 003ffl to buy a C&R pistol. Second one says he prefers not to transfer C&R's, OK no problem he was very nice though.

                        Now I have to drive to San Fernando for the transfer, long drive but I've delt with this FFL before and he is a good guy.

                        Thanks Again


                        Roy

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                        • #13
                          FluorideInMyWater
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2006
                          • 1840

                          even worth is?

                          i have been looking @ these for a few months............
                          are they even worth the $1xx dollars they are selling for??
                          anybody have one that can comment?
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                          • #14
                            ivanimal
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 14357

                            Originally posted by FluorideInMyWater
                            i have been looking @ these for a few months............
                            are they even worth the $1xx dollars they are selling for??
                            anybody have one that can comment?
                            I have one and 1224 rounds of ammo is just 130 bucks. It is a great and cheap way to blow an afternoon. I suggest you get one.



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                            • #15
                              Mssr. Eleganté
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 10401

                              Originally posted by ivanimal
                              I have one and 1224 rounds of ammo is just 130 bucks. It is a great and cheap way to blow an afternoon. I suggest you get one.
                              But first Fluoride will need to get over his fear of corrosive ammo.
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